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dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Jun 6 @ 1:05 PM ET
Could you guys live with a trade like:

Brodie
Brouwer
Kylington (or Fox)

for

Ottawa
1st Round Pick (#4)
Bobby Ryan
Gabriel Gagne

They get help on the Back end, a good prospect, to dump a bad contract. We get a shot at Baby Chucky in this years draft, and a couple RW guys to help out on that side of the ice.

- buddy_doug


Not going to comment on a few things, as others have already killed it to death. No way the Sens trade their 1st though. They have to give Colorado this year's or next year's 1st. Both of which will be early picks. They really can't afford to give both away.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 6 @ 1:05 PM ET
Anyway, curious. Does lets say Brodie & Kylington get the #10 & Pulji?
- Kevin R

If I were to counter, I'd suggest something along the lines of Brodie for Puljujarvi, #40 and Russell. We can't be moving two of our more significant assets in a trade for anyone that's not a tangible upgrade on Klefbom. We also can't afford to add 4.6mil without sending something back your way so Russell would make sense- especially considering his history with the Flames.

I still dont really like the deal because we pretty much end up in a similar place but now with a more desperate need for RWs and the ability to move one of Klefbom or Nurse.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jun 6 @ 1:11 PM ET
If I were to counter, I'd suggest something along the lines of Brodie for Puljujarvi, #40 and Russell. We can't be moving two of our more significant assets in a trade for anyone that's not a tangible upgrade on Klefbom. We also can't afford to add 4.6mil without sending something back your way so Russell would make sense- especially considering his history with the Flames.

I still dont really like the deal because we pretty much end up in a similar place but now with a more desperate need for RWs and the ability to move one of Klefbom or Nurse.

- MaximumBone

But Russell is negative value. So that would require The higher pick.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jun 6 @ 1:15 PM ET
Ek reporting CGY-BUF have been discussing Hamilton for ROR. Ridiculous.
However, if there is truth to it, BUF would have to add the 1st OA in my opinion. That would give us an immediate (younger) D in return. Otherwise they would have to add something like Ristolainen and either a 2nd or good prospect.
Still seems dumb considering it doesn’t address our need for a top 6 scoring RW.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:36 PM ET
Ek reporting CGY-BUF have been discussing Hamilton for ROR. Ridiculous.
However, if there is truth to it, BUF would have to add the 1st OA in my opinion. That would give us an immediate (younger) D in return. Otherwise they would have to add something like Ristolainen and either a 2nd or good prospect.
Still seems dumb considering it doesn’t address our need for a top 6 scoring RW.

- TandA4Flames


His versatility makes him interesting, as he has played both wings in his career, so I wouldn't say no to acquiring, but there is no way it's a straight up deal for Dougie. Brodie, maybe. Dougie, man, we better be getting something really good as the kicker in that trade. 1 OA or Risto might be a bit much to ask.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 6 @ 2:13 PM ET
But Russell is negative value. So that would require The higher pick.
- TandA4Flames

Okay, then you guys would need to add something to your side. Kylington doesn't really appeal to me much. How about Adam Fox? Russell's negative value isn't equivalent to the difference between the 10th and 40th.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:37 PM ET
Ek reporting CGY-BUF have been discussing Hamilton for ROR. Ridiculous.
However, if there is truth to it, BUF would have to add the 1st OA in my opinion. That would give us an immediate (younger) D in return. Otherwise they would have to add something like Ristolainen and either a 2nd or good prospect.
Still seems dumb considering it doesn’t address our need for a top 6 scoring RW.

- TandA4Flames


Buffalo is not trading the 1st OA lol

I like Dougie but come on let’s get real here ...I’m embarrassed for you
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Jun 6 @ 4:09 PM ET
Ek reporting CGY-BUF have been discussing Hamilton for ROR. Ridiculous.
However, if there is truth to it, BUF would have to add the 1st OA in my opinion. That would give us an immediate (younger) D in return. Otherwise they would have to add something like Ristolainen and either a 2nd or good prospect.
Still seems dumb considering it doesn’t address our need for a top 6 scoring RW.

- TandA4Flames


If Tre does that deal straight up then he's fired. Or at least should be.

The only way we should be trading Dougie is if we get a substantial return, and even then only if someone overpays. Just ROR is not nearly substantial enough. I'm not even sure I'd say ROR + the 1st overall is worth it as that doesn't even fix our wing problem.

I mean Dougie gets in the rumour mill anually no matter how many times the Flames say he isn't available, so this is probably nothing anyway (especially since it's an Ek rumour), but still. Don't trade Dougie Hamilton. I don't know how many times I have to say it.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:50 PM ET
Okay, then you guys would need to add something to your side. Kylington doesn't really appeal to me much. How about Adam Fox? Russell's negative value isn't equivalent to the difference between the 10th and 40th.
- MaximumBone


Yeah, a guy who skates like the wind and racked up 35 points in the A last year while averaging only 17 minutes a game is of no interest to a team desperately in need of both speed and offence from their defensive corps.

Fox can likely be had, but really, it's his rights you're acquiring. He can defect right back to the Flames if he really wanted to once his college career is over.

And yes, Kris Russell's $4M deadweight contract is probably worth about exactly that if the Oil have their eye on a Karlsson or Carlson in the off-season. This is a team that traded a young, high-flying, perfect fit on the LW beside McDavid for a decent 2/3 defenceman.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:53 PM ET
How do people on here still believe Eklund?
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:59 PM ET
Yeah, a guy who skates like the wind and racked up 35 points in the A last year while averaging only 17 minutes a game is of no interest to a team desperately in need of both speed and offence from their defensive corps.

Fox can likely be had, but really, it's his rights you're acquiring. He can defect right back to the Flames if he really wanted to once his college career is over.

And yes, Kris Russell's $4M deadweight contract is probably worth about exactly that if the Oil have their eye on a Karlsson or Carlson in the off-season. This is a team that traded a young, high-flying, perfect fit on the LW beside McDavid for a decent 2/3 defenceman.

- rmull905


Why in the (frank) are people discussing Russel getting acquired? He has a full NMC. Oilers fans forget this every few weeks and show up trying to find out his value.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jun 6 @ 6:35 PM ET
Okay, then you guys would need to add something to your side. Kylington doesn't really appeal to me much. How about Adam Fox? Russell's negative value isn't equivalent to the difference between the 10th and 40th.
- MaximumBone

His 3 remaining years at $4 mil makes it equivalent. Maybe we add something small. Fox is no small piece. He has very high value right now as he’s considered a top D prospect who puts up points.
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jun 6 @ 6:37 PM ET
Buffalo is not trading the 1st OA lol

I like Dougie but come on let’s get real here ...I’m embarrassed for you

- Redmile247

Other pieces involved obviously. My point is that that should be what it takes for us to trade A 24 year old 6’6” right shot top pair defensman. Otherwise, don’t do it.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 6 @ 6:42 PM ET
Yeah, a guy who skates like the wind and racked up 35 points in the A last year while averaging only 17 minutes a game is of no interest to a team desperately in need of both speed and offence from their defensive corps.

Fox can likely be had, but really, it's his rights you're acquiring. He can defect right back to the Flames if he really wanted to once his college career is over.

And yes, Kris Russell's $4M deadweight contract is probably worth about exactly that if the Oil have their eye on a Karlsson or Carlson in the off-season. This is a team that traded a young, high-flying, perfect fit on the LW beside McDavid for a decent 2/3 defenceman.

- rmull905

Think there might be a reason why such an exceptional player would only be playing 17 minutes per night at the AHL level? He's being sheltered at the AHL level three years into his pro career. I'm not gonna try to say he won't be anything, but prospects that aren't dominating the AHL by the end of their 2nd year in the league rarely turn out to be impact players. Combine that with his shooting left and he just doesn't fit my criteria for a target.

If they're adding Brodie, they won't be able to afford Carlson- let alone Karlsson- on their backend. They'll already have to move Klefbom or Nurse for a young winger or two (a package of Kapanen and Brown+ comes to mind).
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 6 @ 6:49 PM ET
Why in the (frank) are people discussing Russel getting acquired? He has a full NMC. Oilers fans forget this every few weeks and show up trying to find out his value.
- fry

1.) He wants to stay in Alberta; a trade to Calgary would keep him in Alberta. I doubt he'd have issue waiving his clause to go back to a place he loved to play.

2.) If your team is intent on trading Brodie, bringing a veteran in could make sense to provide cover for Andersson before throwing him to the wolves.

3.) The same management team you have now spoke VERY highly of him when trading him and were only reportedly concerned with his reported contract demands (~5mil). Now that he's locked in at 4mil (maybe some cap retention, too) maybe it's a palatable way to bring back a locker room favourite.

Not saying it's likely, but there's logic behind bringing him back. All the hate he gets is frankly absurd. Despite his shortcomings, he consistently produces near or above his team's GF% while playing 2nd pairing minutes.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:35 PM ET
Why in the (frank) are people discussing Russel getting acquired? He has a full NMC. Oilers fans forget this every few weeks and show up trying to find out his value.
- fry


NMC's, especially for guys down the lineup, are not a major concern. I am not saying we should, but if anything, it would be an acquire and buyout situation.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Jun 6 @ 8:09 PM ET
1.) He wants to stay in Alberta; a trade to Calgary would keep him in Alberta. I doubt he'd have issue waiving his clause to go back to a place he loved to play.

2.) If your team is intent on trading Brodie, bringing a veteran in could make sense to provide cover for Andersson before throwing him to the wolves.

3.) The same management team you have now spoke VERY highly of him when trading him and were only reportedly concerned with his reported contract demands (~5mil). Now that he's locked in at 4mil (maybe some cap retention, too) maybe it's a palatable way to bring back a locker room favourite.

Not saying it's likely, but there's logic behind bringing him back. All the hate he gets is frankly absurd. Despite his shortcomings, he consistently produces near or above his team's GF% while playing 2nd pairing minutes.

- MaximumBone


Sounds like a great Dman. You should probably keep him.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Jun 6 @ 11:54 PM ET
Sounds like a great Dman. You should probably keep him.
- DuranDuran

Boner sometimes gets a little carried away with the sales pitch. Brodie for poolparty!
TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Jun 7 @ 12:43 AM ET
Boner sometimes gets a little carried away with the sales pitch. Brodie for poolparty!
- K-man25

And.....?
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 7 @ 9:02 AM ET
How do people on here still believe Eklund?
- fry

He's like Santa Clause. Once a year he is the one guy that you hope is real just for that one thing you really want
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:02 AM ET
He's like Santa Clause. Once a year he is the one guy that you hope is real just for that one thing you really want
- Lahey


“OILERS ARE TALKING. RNH FOR GALLAGHER??? MORE TO COME”

Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jun 7 @ 3:20 PM ET
That would be a major step back for the Flames. Flames fans need to realize he's not Matthew 2.0. Sure, Brady may be meaner and tougher, but he hasn't shown anything close to the offensive ability Matthew has. The way Brady plays, it'll also be at least another year until he's ready for the NHL. The Flames want to compete next year. Trading one of their best defencemen for a future project doesn't help with that.
- Hunkulese


When we drafted Tkachuk the biggest knock on his game was that they weren't sure if his skating would be good enough to translate to success at the NHL level. Brady is bigger and faster & looks to be just as skilled as Matthew. I would not have any issue rolling the dice on another Tkachuk.

As for our defence. I think addition by subtraction is the way to go. Rass is ready, Kylington should push and Valimaki looks like the real deal.

CraigV
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.08.2018

Jun 8 @ 11:42 PM ET
I must be missing something. I did a google search on top Right side Defensemen and Dougie Hamilton comes in at #8. However the 7 others ahead of him are for the most part older and much more expensive. So lets see who is a match at right wing. Top 8 overall young and not too expensive. Turns out their is just one Vladamir Tarasenko. So unless that offer comes in I say no thanks.
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