I must feel vehemently about this, lol!
- IonSabres

I think even quoting yourself brings the point home. Like the clown spamming an entire page of redheads.

I’d like to see them delay for another year on Jack.
Personally, he can still use another year of maturing...and hottake — Dahlin will eventually prove to be the heart and soul of this team.
- IonSabres

It would be great surprise if jack isn't named captain this fall. This is his franchise. Although jack is probably looking over his shoulder at the new kid.

Press conference in September

New Jersey? Old blue and gold
New number ? #9 is available
New captain ? #9Jackeichel

In the last 10 years, they've busted on 1 first rounder, and actually drafted Carlson that year with the other 1st rounder.
- sbroads24

Excluding the last 3 drafts,
since those guys are still developing...

The Caps have had 16 picks in the 1st,
dating back to the Ovechkin draft
I went back to that draft bc he’s obviously the key guy they’ve built this team around

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov...
all big hits of course
Wilson, Burakovsky & Vrana are all decent players who are contributing

So that’s 7/16

Now u can say the other 9 weren’t all busts,
but Forsberg (dumb trade) & maybe Johansson (cap reasons) would still be on the team if they could

So let’s say that 7/16 were either busts,
or at least guys they felt they couldn’t win with (Vrlamov, Green, Alzner, etc)

Like i said...
EVERY SINGLE TEAM MAKES MISTAKES

They should add some old veteran speed like vanek.
He can take the place of moulson/ nolan/ pouliot.

You hate to see any of these young guys step up and lead. That's the worse case senario:

Find leaders within
- Boss34

Typo?
I’ll admit he can still score,
but “speed” is not an accurate description for him at all

Excluding the last 3 drafts,
since those guys are still developing...

The Caps have had 16 picks in the 1st,
dating back to the Ovechkin draft
I went back to that draft bc he’s obviously the key guy they’ve built this team around

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov...
all big hits of course
Wilson, Burakovsky & Vrana are all decent players who are contributing

So that’s 7/16

Now u can say the other 9 weren’t all busts,
but Forsberg (dumb trade) & maybe Johansson (cap reasons) would still be on the team if they could

So let’s say that 7/16 were either busts,
or at least guys they felt they couldn’t win with (Vrlamov, Green, Alzner, etc)

Like i said...
EVERY SINGLE TEAM MAKES MISTAKES
- jdfitz77

This is some interesting mental gymnastics to get to this number

Sorry, but if the Sabres ink Vanek, I will lose all faith in the management team.
Old, slow and the antithisis of leadership.
Stay way from the young core, at all costs.
- IonSabres

Anyone in particular you’re thinking we should bring in?

Excluding the last 3 drafts,
since those guys are still developing...

The Caps have had 16 picks in the 1st,
dating back to the Ovechkin draft
I went back to that draft bc he’s obviously the key guy they’ve built this team around

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov...
all big hits of course
Wilson, Burakovsky & Vrana are all decent players who are contributing

So that’s 7/16

Now u can say the other 9 weren’t all busts,
but Forsberg (dumb trade) & maybe Johansson (cap reasons) would still be on the team if they could

So let’s say that 7/16 were either busts,
or at least guys they felt they couldn’t win with (Vrlamov, Green, Alzner, etc)

Like i said...
EVERY SINGLE TEAM MAKES MISTAKES
- jdfitz77

The Caps have the best 1st round record in the NHL since Ovi. From 2004-2014, the've missed on 3 players. 2 were from 2005. 13/16 is exemplary.

Typo?
I’ll admit he can still score,
but “speed” is not an accurate description for him at all
- jdfitz77

He's being a ricky.

Excluding the last 3 drafts,
since those guys are still developing...

The Caps have had 16 picks in the 1st,
dating back to the Ovechkin draft
I went back to that draft bc he’s obviously the key guy they’ve built this team around

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Kuznetsov...
all big hits of course
Wilson, Burakovsky & Vrana are all decent players who are contributing

So that’s 7/16

Now u can say the other 9 weren’t all busts,
but Forsberg (dumb trade) & maybe Johansson (cap reasons) would still be on the team if they could

So let’s say that 7/16 were either busts,
or at least guys they felt they couldn’t win with (Vrlamov, Green, Alzner, etc)

Like i said...
EVERY SINGLE TEAM MAKES MISTAKES
- jdfitz77

Let's do it this way, how many 1st rounders of theirs in the past 16 years, are worse or equal to Zemgus Girgensons?

Let's do it this way, how many 1st rounders of theirs in the past 16 years, are worse or equal to Zemgus Girgensons?
- sbroads24

You mean all-star centers?

This is some interesting mental gymnastics to get to this number
- sbroads24

Not really

Just bc guys are “ok” NHL players,
doesn’t mean they were good picks

Neither of us would call Vrlamov a bust,
but obviously the Caps felt he wasn’t the guy & needed better from the position

Pretty sure u think Alzner stinks, right?
For the #5 overall pick, he should’ve been one of the cornerstones of their team instead of a guy they let walk away for nothing

Mike Green...
once he stopped scoring 20 goals a year, they needed to move on bc he was so bad in his own end

Etc, etc, etc

So again... not “busts” per say
But we are talking about drafting guys to build a Cup winner, right?
Well,
those are guys the Caps moved on from bc they needed better than what they were producing

I think it’s totally safe to say that those picks “didn’t work out”

Not really

Just bc guys are “ok” NHL players,
doesn’t mean they were good picks

Neither of us would call Vrlamov a bust,
but obviously the Caps felt he wasn’t the guy & needed better from the position

Pretty sure u think Alzner stinks, right?
For the #5 overall pick, he should’ve been one of the cornerstones of their team instead of a guy they let walk away for nothing

Mike Green...
once he stopped scoring 20 goals a year, they needed to move on bc he was so bad in his own end

Etc, etc, etc

So again... not “busts” per say
But we are talking about drafting guys to build a Cup winner, right?
Well,
those are guys the Caps moved on from bc they needed better than what they were producing

I think it’s totally safe to say that those picks “didn’t work out”
- jdfitz77

Sorry Fitz, but this is terrible logic. Your definition of "didn't work out" ends at trading the asset or letting him walk? Come on.

Did Dave Andreychuk "work out"? Did Housley? Ruff? Campbell? Miller? Pommer? Audette? Mogilny???

These guys were traded. And not because "they didn't work out".

Let's do it this way, how many 1st rounders of theirs in the past 16 years, are worse or equal to Zemgus Girgensons?
- sbroads24

Is “Girgs” the point?

Or is the point...
what guys have they picked that have “worked out” to build this championship contending team?

U don’t have to be “girgensons bad” to have been a pick that didn’t work out

Sorry Fitz, but this is terrible logic. Your definition of "didn't work out" ends at trading the asset or letting him walk? Come on.
- TheSabresTaco

It's Fitz's never ending moving goal-posts

It's Fitz's never ending moving goal-posts
- sbroads24

^^

I would say a fair definition of "didn't work out" would be a 1st rounder that plays less than 100 games in the NHL. Open to interpretation of course, but ideally, a 1st rounder is a long time NHLer, on any team. If he's not, then he's probably a bust, due to talent or injury.

Nublog

I would say a fair definition of "didn't work out" would be a 1st rounder that plays less than 100 games in the NHL. Open to interpretation of course, but ideally, a 1st rounder is a long time NHLer, on any team. If he's not, then he's probably a bust, due to talent or injury.
- TheSabresTaco

So Grigorenko technically worked out then

Sorry Fitz, but this is terrible logic. Your definition of "didn't work out" ends at trading the asset or letting him walk? Come on.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, as far as building this championship team goes

If they’d traded Forsberg for a guy who’s playing for them now & contributing...
then ok

But even though he’s a great player,
that pick didn’t “work out” to actually be of any help to them

And other guys I’ve mentioned above...
if they aren’t helping the Caps win,
then what’s it matter?

Let’s just say we trade away Sam,
and get back a prospect & a 1st
But neither work out to help us

Even though Sam could continue to score around 20goals a season for the rest of his career,
that pick would still have been a “bust” in the sense that it ended up not helping us get to the promised land so to speak

But if the prospect & pick turn out to be good players who help us turn into a winner...
or we just keep Sam & he helps turn us into contenders...
then it was a good pick
Or pick we got value from which helped us

See what I’m saying?


Just bc Alzner wasn’t Girgensons bad,
doesn’t mean it was a good pick at #5 overall

Anyone in particular you’re thinking we should bring in?
- jdfitz77

I have been thinking of Max Pacioretti, can score, leadership ability, 29 so not ancient, has decent wheels. Not sure what the cost would be.

I would say a fair definition of "didn't work out" would be a 1st rounder that plays less than 100 games in the NHL. Open to interpretation of course, but ideally, a 1st rounder is a long time NHLer, on any team. If he's not, then he's probably a bust, due to talent or injury.
- TheSabresTaco

So then Girgensons “worked out” by your definition
By mine, he disappointed

Yeah, as far as building this championship team goes

If they’d traded Forsberg for a guy who’s playing for them now & contributing...
then ok

But even though he’s a great player,
that pick didn’t “work out” to actually be of any help to them

And other guys I’ve mentioned above...
if they aren’t helping the Caps win,
then what’s it matter?

Let’s just say we trade away Sam,
and get back a prospect & a 1st
But neither work out to help us

Even though Sam could continue to score around 20goals a season for the rest of his career,
that pick would still have been a “bust” in the sense that it ended up not helping us get to the promised land so to speak

But if the prospect & pick turn out to be good players who help us turn into a winner...
or we just keep Sam & he helps turn us into contenders...
then it was a good pick
Or pick we got value from which helped us

See what I’m saying?


Just bc Alzner wasn’t Girgensons bad,
doesn’t mean it was a good pick at #5 overall
- jdfitz77

Johannson and Alzner were part of President trophy teams.

You just talk in circles