The thing is, we need more than Hanifin anyways, and we'd have to get rid of MDZ and Hutton to make room for him and OJ and we'd have to keep Tanev to keep the D respectable at least for this year and next while OJ and Hanifin adjust. Personally, I'd love to trade OJ straight up for Hanifin (not that Carolina would even consider it) and use the 7OA to take Dobson.

If it were me, I'd love to trade Tanev, Hutton, Gudbranson, MDZ for whatever picks we can get and sign veterans on 1-2 year cheap deals while we stock up on high risk/high reward D-men in the draft and let them develop. I'm fine with sucking 2 years until the new D-core is able to gel.
- DariusKnight

That’d be ideal but unfortunately it’s pretty unrealistic. The chances the Canucks even consider that thought are remote

That’d be ideal but unfortunately it’s pretty unrealistic. The chances the Canucks even consider that thought are remote
- Nucker101

Yeah I know, the D-core needs a nuke, but it's never going to happen.

That’d be ideal but unfortunately it’s pretty unrealistic. The chances the Canucks even consider that thought are remote
- Nucker101

Yep, the Canucks are VERY confident they have a top 4 player in OJ who's knocking on the door right now.

The thing is, we need more than Hanifin anyways, and we'd have to get rid of MDZ and Hutton to make room for him and OJ and we'd have to keep Tanev to keep the D respectable at least for this year and next while OJ and Hanifin adjust. Personally, I'd love to trade OJ straight up for Hanifin (not that Carolina would even consider it) and use the 7OA to take Dobson.

If it were me, I'd love to trade Tanev, Hutton, Gudbranson, MDZ for whatever picks we can get and sign veterans on 1-2 year cheap deals while we stock up on high risk/high reward D-men in the draft and let them develop. I'm fine with sucking 2 years until the new D-core is able to gel.
- DariusKnight

I really dont have any problem with your "thing" in bold.

I really dont have any problem with your "thing" in bold.
- boonerbuck

So if you did Hanafin for the 7th and brought OJ up, and traded Hutton and MDZ for picks, you'd have:

Hanfin-Tanev
Edler-Gudbranson
Pouliot-Stecher
OJ-Saunter

No 1st rounder, but perhaps recoup a 3rd and 4th rounder.

I could live with that.

So if you did Hanafin for the 7th and brought OJ up, and traded Hutton and MDZ for picks, you'd have:

Hanfin-Tanev
Edler-Gudbranson
Pouliot-Stecher
OJ-Saunter

No 1st rounder, but perhaps recoup a 3rd and 4th rounder.

I could live with that.
- dbot

No, 1st rounder. So they are shooting for a division title? ELC are awesome. Especially for high 1st round picks.

Faulk can't help Hanifin, I don't know if Tanev is better then Faulk or Tanev can stay healthy enough. This team doesn't need 3rd, 4th round picks. They need 1st round picks.

If the price is Kapanen for Hanifin. Kapanen was the 22nd pick.

No, 1st rounder. So they are shooting for a division title? ELC are awesome. Especially for high 1st round picks.

Faulk can't help Hanifin, I don't know if Tanev is better then Faulk or Tanev can stay healthy enough. This team doesn't need 3rd, 4th round picks. They need 1st round picks.

If the price is Kapanen for Hanifin. Kapanen was the 22nd pick.
- manvanfan

i'd prefer to keep the 1st rounder too.
I'm just saying, that D looks ok.
I could live with it.

Just because you blow Jake doesn't make you bro Jake....

Plus we all know that you're Dubas.
- Pres.cup

Chill bud. By most other lists right now, he is already a 1st/2nd round pick. I think its unlikely that a guy rated that high by other had to move up that much on Vans list.
- manvanfan

Oh, I am pretty chilled.
It appeared too me that they were talking strictly about centres and whoever it was, had jumped up, in there eyes.
So whether a player is already in rated in 1st or 2nd round is insignificant if they had someone ranked as, say the 8th or 9th best centre, but has now jumped up too 6th best.
Although there may not be a lot of high end centres in this draft there are still at least a dozen in the top 45 IMO.

Oh, I am pretty chilled.
It appeared too me that they were talking strictly about centres and whoever it was, had jumped up, in there eyes.
So whether a player is already in rated in 1st or 2nd round is insignificant if they had someone ranked as, say the 8th or 9th best centre, but has now jumped up too 6th best.
Although there may not be a lot of high end centres in this draft there are still at least a dozen in the top 45 IMO.
- Reubenkincade

From what I got, the 45 list discounts players that they think will go when they aren't picking.

The 7th overall for hanifin would be a mistake. We need to add 3 defensemen that have future top 4 potential. I really dont think benning has a clue. If we can add hanifin without the 7th or a core piece go ahead.

The gamble in this really is what you get picking 7. You know in Hanifin you have a top 4 that fits a fast possession/transition style game with upside still.

You can get everything Hanifin offers in Dobson I think without risk. It's the PP ability that makes it more sense to pick Dobson over the trade. Or else why wait to develop what you could just grab in Hanifin who is Boeser's age only. Neither player to me seems like they have any kind of elite talents like Hughes skating and insane puck possession magic or Boqvist' shot. Could Hughes turn out like Yannek Weber(that's who Vantel was trying to remember)? Small speedy can score but a crappy player. Maybe. Could Boqvist show he has elite skill but continue with getting concussed and be useless? Maybe... Could Bouchard fail to play the same top minutes in the NHL because he can't keep up with other teams top lines? Probably lol...

Sometimes the gamble isnt worth it. I gamble on Hughes way before Boqvist. Dobson checks every box we could possibly check at 7 even with the trade. Speed, Size, 5 on 5 offence, PP producer, excellent defending, great transition, joins the rush.
- boonerbuck

So.... Dobson is a safe pick who isn't elite at anything.... great, let's keep doing that.

The 7th overall for hanifin would be a mistake. We need to add 3 defensemen that have future top 4 potential. I really dont think benning has a clue. If we can add hanifin without the 7th or a core piece go ahead.
- mauryballstein

Ok Pratt..... hanifin would be one of those 3 pieces... or the number 7pick could be one of those pieces.... I don't see the difference in your argument.

The thing is, we need more than Hanifin anyways, and we'd have to get rid of MDZ and Hutton to make room for him and OJ and we'd have to keep Tanev to keep the D respectable at least for this year and next while OJ and Hanifin adjust. Personally, I'd love to trade OJ straight up for Hanifin (not that Carolina would even consider it) and use the 7OA to take Dobson.

If it were me, I'd love to trade Tanev, Hutton, Gudbranson, MDZ for whatever picks we can get and sign veterans on 1-2 year cheap deals while we stock up on high risk/high reward D-men in the draft and let them develop. I'm fine with sucking 2 years until the new D-core is able to gel.
- DariusKnight

Keep OJ and draft Dobson. Try and land Hanifin with the players you have mentioned above. If not like you said add the picks and sign UFA defensemen.

Ok Pratt..... hanifin would be one of those 3 pieces... or the number 7pick could be one of those pieces.... I don't see the difference in your argument.
- Pres.cup

Yes but so would the 7th is what I am saying. So trading the 7th or OJ for him is not getting us further ahead.

Yes but so would the 7th is what I am saying. So trading the 7th or OJ for him is not getting us further ahead.
- mauryballstein

That's all dependant on your valuation of Hanafin, more importantly JB and his scouts. I trust them to assess talent and ultimately decide if he is better than the options at 7th. The new owner doesn't want to pay Hanafin, Hanafin just switched agencies to insure he gets a nice payday. Is he worth good money to lock up? These are all questions I leave in the pro's hands, I ultimately don't think there's any reason to think NH's ceiling isn't still sky high, were talking about a 21 year old that was drafted as the no-question best d in his draft class two years ago in a strong draft.

No, 1st rounder. So they are shooting for a division title? ELC are awesome. Especially for high 1st round picks.

Faulk can't help Hanifin, I don't know if Tanev is better then Faulk or Tanev can stay healthy enough. This team doesn't need 3rd, 4th round picks. They need 1st round picks.

If the price is Kapanen for Hanifin. Kapanen was the 22nd pick.
- manvanfan

If you don't know that Tanev is considerably better defensively than Faulk, than you've got a whole new issue. Were talking about one of the premier defensive dmen in the league. Adding him to go top pair with Tanev would go a long way to giving this stale d corps a shot in the arm, as no one in this lineup outside of Edler produces.

The more I think on it, the less I would like to see the pick get traded, but the undervaluation of Hanafin at 21 on this thread is borderline criminal.

So.... Dobson is a safe pick who isn't elite at anything.... great, let's keep doing that.
- Pres.cup

He is elite at tying his skates and being a two-way defenseman, as opposed to Boqvist and Hanifin who are elite puckwatchers.

Thing is, it's one of those drafts where really the top3 are the only certainty. After that, it's going to be draft boards of MTL, ARI or DET and apparently Detroit is open to moving their pick. I'd stay pat, because the chances of someone slipping to 7 is quite high, IE/ Wahlstrom, Hughes, Tkachuk or Boquist. We need each of those types of players going forward, in fact we need everything because we have zero depth. There is more than one way to create that depth, but it starts with drafting and developing to the point where you have the good problem of having solid players in the AHL vying for spots. Currently, we have had anywhere from 5 to 8 AHL players in our lineup, hence the reason we've finished where we have. D is arguably the most glaring issue, so I can see where JB is coming from. Might be better served picking up a Cole, Green and/or Moore via UFA short-term contracts and riding out the storm while also giving ourselves a chance to have more movable assets come the TDL.

He is elite at tying his skates and being a two-way defenseman, as opposed to Boqvist and Hanifin who are elite puckwatchers.
- Reubenkincade

Boquist at 18 has very similar numbers to Karlsson and already possesses an NHL shot/IQ. Dobson has a higher ceiling right now, as many 18 year olds do: because at that age they all have more potential than actual ability. it's the catch-22 of the draft everyone is good because no one hasn't panned out yet.

That's all dependant on your valuation of Hanafin, more importantly JB and his scouts. I trust them to assess talent and ultimately decide if he is better than the options at 7th. The new owner doesn't want to pay Hanafin, Hanafin just switched agencies to insure he gets a nice payday. Is he worth good money to lock up? These are all questions I leave in the pro's hands, I ultimately don't think there's any reason to think NH's ceiling isn't still sky high, were talking about a 21 year old that was drafted as the no-question best d in his draft class two years ago in a strong draft.
- neem55

yep that's the rub.

gotta give yourself a chance. personally i think hanifin over OJ or whoever comes at 7 (unless it's hughes) will put us ahead. not just for now, but for a long time.

as for the canes, they're doing their due diligence. obviously hanifin wants to get paid. im sure they'd rather move the older guy in faulk (who much like hanifin is more an offensive than defensive defenceman), but if us or Toronto are willing to pony up more for Hanifin, then you gotta take a look.

If you don't know that Tanev is considerably better defensively than Faulk, than you've got a whole new issue. Were talking about one of the premier defensive dmen in the league. Adding him to go top pair with Tanev would go a long way to giving this stale d corps a shot in the arm, as no one in this lineup outside of Edler produces.

The more I think on it, the less I would like to see the pick get traded, but the undervaluation of Hanafin at 21 on this thread is borderline criminal.
- neem55

So Craig Button says hes a 3/4. Every province writer has more bad then good to say about Hanifin.

One writer said Provorov and Werenski are "main-stay 1st pairing D". He didnt include Hanifin. Hanifin has 1 more year then both of them. So according to you the best D no question in that draft. Has now fallen behind two players picked below.

That's all dependant on your valuation of Hanafin, more importantly JB and his scouts. I trust them to assess talent and ultimately decide if he is better than the options at 7th. The new owner doesn't want to pay Hanafin, Hanafin just switched agencies to insure he gets a nice payday. Is he worth good money to lock up? These are all questions I leave in the pro's hands, I ultimately don't think there's any reason to think NH's ceiling isn't still sky high, were talking about a 21 year old that was drafted as the no-question best d in his draft class two years ago in a strong draft.
- neem55

That's your first mistake. The Canucks pro scouting has proven to be incompetent over the past five years.

yep that's the rub.

gotta give yourself a chance. personally i think hanifin over OJ or whoever comes at 7 (unless it's hughes) will put us ahead. not just for now, but for a long time.

as for the canes, they're doing their due diligence. obviously hanifin wants to get paid. im sure they'd rather move the older guy in faulk (who much like hanifin is more an offensive than defensive defenceman), but if us or Toronto are willing to pony up more for Hanifin, then you gotta take a look.
- BobBot

They want another ELC. Maybe they have plans to go get a big fish, Kessel for example. I'd be shocked if they weren't listening if we have either Demko or Dipietro on the table, Demko I wouldn't like to see leave but Dipietro just had a hell of year and just signed. I don't think 7 alone gets it done, personally, which I know most on here will not want to pay more than that.

It is really hard to gauge what Hanafin is and will be, but I'd be excited to add him and you have to take a shot if you think he has more upside than the guys there at 7. So is it a draft day deal and once Hughes goes they pull the trigger? Not sure. My dream is it's a bigger deal with a few pieces where hutton, bae or Granlund are going with our second and dipietro. I think Vancouver is the team that signs JVR, probably to more money and term than anyone will be happy about on here

That's your first mistake. The Canucks pro scouting has proven to be incompetent over the past five years.
- 1970vintage

Gudbranson. 😂

Win some, lose some.

Please lord let Guddy have a good season. 🙈