Just curious, I personally wouldn't do it, would you package Lee in a trade for Kessel given his reported rift with Sullivan?
- bgainesDM

No way. Need a dman back for Lee.

Just curious, I personally wouldn't do it, would you package Lee in a trade for Kessel given his reported rift with Sullivan?
- bgainesDM

No ...

Just curious, I personally wouldn't do it, would you package Lee in a trade for Kessel given his reported rift with Sullivan?
- bgainesDM

No thanks.....Kessels salary and age are reason enough, let alone his love affair with Hot Dogs.

Lee's comments show the players want a change at least that was my interpretation and it's just refreshing to hear these things
- Upstate_isles

I would love to see Lou Shave some of Clutterbuck's salary

I would love to see Lou Shave some of Clutterbuck's salary
- nyisles7

Between 2011-2015, Islander draft selections played the fewest NHL games in the entire league.



Not my analysis (this was from an Athletic article written by James Gordon) and there were reasons he chose to use that time-frame, but that's pretty atrocious. This all despite having the 6th-highest average pick position.
- eichiefs9

Why dont you tweet this to the isles maybe they need to see how bad this is, all one has to do is see this and it's clear snow must go

Listen I hate the guy more then anybody but saying every good draft pick was luck is meh. He deserves some credit but he is still terrible at his job
- Vukota

Of course but just using anders Lee as an example you don't think he would've been chosen somewhere before the 6th round if there were any inclination of his talent? That's my point that was a "luck" pick. Other than that are we calling cizikas a great pic? There really aren't many/any home runs without even mentioning his failure in the top 5.

Those were the years we’ve discussed the drafting of Nino, Strome, Reinhardt, and Dall colle. It’s this stat that you just posted that set the rebuild back 5 years. I’m curious when they let Jankowski go vs when the rebuild took a turn for the worse.
- kindlyrick

Jankowski refused to grow a beard and wear a polo so Garth let him go, worked to hard

Barzal will, hopefully, be looked at as one of the absolute worst deals ever when his career his done. Beauvillier is shaping up to be a damn good late-1st.

I loathe the man as much as anyone, but I'll give credit where it's due. He's still an absolutely putrid toilet-human, but he's done a couple good things. His overall body of work is garbage, there's no arguing that.
- eichiefs9

Of course he has in 12 years someone who was purposely trying to be bad would (frank) up here and there and do something good

"stage manager for fox sports" is just code for "glory hole technician", in case anyone was confused
- eichiefs9

Just curious, I personally wouldn't do it, would you package Lee in a trade for Kessel given his reported rift with Sullivan?
- bgainesDM

No, but not for any of the reasons anyone listed. Simply an age thing, despite the fact that he hasn't missed a game in the last 5 years. He's gonna fall off a cliff at some point. I wouldn't do Lee for him straight up. Plus Lee's game probably meshes with Tavares pace of play a lot better.

I would, however, include Eberle as part of a deal for Kessel. Even though the chances of division rivals making a major trade like that are nearly 0%. Kessel and Barzal on a line together would be lethal.

I would love to see Lou Shave some of Clutterbuck's salary
- nyisles7

Or make Garth manscape ame cut his own balls off. Oh wait lou already has them

Of course but just using anders Lee as an example you don't think he would've been chosen somewhere before the 6th round if there were any inclination of his talent? That's my point that was a "luck" pick. Other than that are we calling cizikas a great pic? There really aren't many/any home runs without even mentioning his failure in the top 5.
- Cptmjl

I know you're going to love me for being that guy here, but he would have gone a hell of a lot higher had teams not been unsure of whether he was going to college and playing hockey or football. That was the reason he fell as far as he did.

He was slotted to be a 3rd/4th round pick, based on draft rankings.

I know you're going to love me for being that guy here, but he would have gone a hell of a lot higher had teams not been unsure of whether he was going to college and playing hockey or football. That was the reason he fell as far as he did.

He was slotted to be a 3rd/4th round pick, based on draft rankings.
- eichiefs9

That is correct

Of course he has in 12 years someone who was purposely trying to be bad would (frank) up here and there and do something good
- Cptmjl

Its staggering how bad the isles have been at drafting and developing players, barzal could also be seen as lucky because Boston passed on him 3x. Now the trade of Reinhardt to move up and get 13 and 72 was great but it's like scoring a 102 on a test and averaging it in with all the 20s you got on the rest of them

That is correct
- Vukota

- eichiefs9

No, but not for any of the reasons anyone listed. Simply an age thing, despite the fact that he hasn't missed a game in the last 5 years. He's gonna fall off a cliff at some point. I wouldn't do Lee for him straight up. Plus Lee's game probably meshes with Tavares pace of play a lot better.

I would, however, include Eberle as part of a deal for Kessel. Even though the chances of division rivals making a major trade like that are nearly 0%. Kessel and Barzal on a line together would be lethal.
- eichiefs9

I like Ebs with Barzal.....they seemed to have good chemistry. In the even the isles ever did trade Lee, i would hope Lou goes out and gets JVR to replace the net presence.

I know you're going to love me for being that guy here, but he would have gone a hell of a lot higher had teams not been unsure of whether he was going to college and playing hockey or football. That was the reason he fell as far as he did.

He was slotted to be a 3rd/4th round pick, based on draft rankings.
- eichiefs9

I do remember that but the guy would've gone 1st overall if ANYONE knew he was a 40 goal scorer in the making. It wasn't some sneaky, brilliant draft pick. Debating about Snow being good at drafting players is like debating whether Hitler really tried to exterminate an entire group of people or not. He sucked. For every Anders Lee there's 20 players that never sniffed an NHL ice surface.

I like Ebs with Barzal.....they seemed to have good chemistry. In the even the isles ever did trade Lee, i would hope Lou goes out and gets JVR to replace the net presence.
- kindlyrick

Barzal and Eberle do have good chemistry, but Eberle is approaching free agency in a year and trading for Kessel would not only be getting a player with term at a reasonable rate, but also getting a significantly more talented player. Kessel is awesome. Eberle's a good player, but not even close to the level that Kessel plays at.

Moot point though because the Islander and Penguins making a big time trade is only marginally less insane of a thought than the Islanders and Rangers making a big trade.

I do remember that but the guy would've gone 1st overall if ANYONE knew he was a 40 goal scorer in the making. It wasn't some sneaky, brilliant draft pick. Debating about Snow being good at drafting players is like debating whether Hitler really tried to exterminate an entire group of people or not. He sucked. For every Anders Lee there's 20 players that never sniffed an NHL ice surface.
- Cptmjl

Who is debating that? Just pointing out that he has a few nice picks doesn't mean they think he is a good drafter. Pretty sure everybody on this board except for a few snow apologists would agree he has been downright bad at drafting

I do remember that but the guy would've gone 1st overall if ANYONE knew he was a 40 goal scorer in the making. It wasn't some sneaky, brilliant draft pick. Debating about Snow being good at drafting players is like debating whether Hitler really tried to exterminate an entire group of people or not. He sucked. For every Anders Lee there's 20 players that never sniffed an NHL ice surface.
- Cptmjl

That was my entire original point.

Nearly every pick in every draft involves some sort of luck. Snow & Co. happened to identify a player with significantly better perceived talent than the rest of the guys available in the 6th round and they took him...so I'm happy to give him credit for taking an intelligent, calculated risk.

98% of everything else he did has been a burning dirty diaper, but I'm not going to pretend like he didn't pull a couple good moves out of his ass and they can't all be luck.

Who is debating that? Just pointing out that he has a few nice picks doesn't mean they think he is a good drafter. Pretty sure everybody on this board except for a few snow apologists would agree he has been downright bad at drafting
- Vukota

Again of course. He's so bad his few good picks are luck IMO .

That was my entire original point.

Nearly every pick in every draft involves some sort of luck. Snow & Co. happened to identify a player with significantly better perceived talent than the rest of the guys available in the 6th round and they took him...so I'm happy to give him credit for taking an intelligent, calculated risk.

98% of everything else he did has been a burning dirty diaper, but I'm not going to pretend like he didn't pull a couple good moves out of his ass and they can't all be luck.
- eichiefs9

I'm goong to need proof that a dart didn't just land on Lee's name

I'm goong to need proof that a dart didn't just land on Lee's name
- Cptmjl

Pretty sure we would have heard about Snow hitting himself with it, not the board, if that were the case