Definitely seen last night live how easy the knights made it look to break Washington’s 1-1-3 trap. Frustrating that the pens (and lightning) couldn’t figure this out. Forecheckers breaking out lower in the zone for defenceman to hit with a pass means more speed in neutral ice and leaves the final 3 more flat footed for a race if it’s dumped in or skated in.

Ohhh Reaves topic again... I’m sure last night it was clear he made a difference even without the goal. From who I was sitting with showed me some of the minor “scouting” sides of his game. He can actually skate well. I was watching last night and I think he’s fully aware he isn’t great at stops and starts though. He always curls rather then stopping. Positionally he was almost never outta position and apparently is very trusted by coaches in this aspect. There was at least 2 times (niskanen, Carlson) went to retrieve pucks and TOTALLY stopped skating to not get hit by reaves. Didn’t end as goals and 1 got cleared within 15 seconds but that was VERY noticeable as both times they could have easily got to the puck first instead of 2 different board battles that ensued. Other thing that was pointed out was when Reaves goes to set up in front of the net nobody touches him or tries to box him out first like every player is taught to do now so he gets perfect positioning for a tip or screen. Easily one of there top 10 forwards last night again and I’m sure nobody is doubting at least that game.
- pens4life-66

If you can't put what you just said into numbers (the analytical type with formulae so not true data), then apparently it's useless to some!

It's probably why Gallant is coaching a SCF team & the Panthers are playing golf!

Also, unless the NHL rules change, doubt any player fights a guy that won't fight or declines the invitation. That's obvious, not sure why people can't understand that & continue on with this detergent nonsense!

Wilson will continue to cheap shot knowing he doesn't have to fight no matter who is on the other team. Pretty simple.
- Aussiepenguin

Agreed, and this is why it comes off as NECESSARY for the league to impliment effective discipline. Even if it is only a useless fine. So it can be documented and used for future offenses.

I'm not sure you're going to find a team that wants to part with legit NHL talent to add Kessel to the roster. The teams that are going to want Kessel are going to want him to put them over the top in terms of talent. Trading away a Rackell, Arvidsson, etc. would make no sense as the team would be getting older, heavier on the cap, and removing a solid player from the team just to acquire Kessel. The reason the Pens trade for Kessel was such a good deal, is they really lost no NHL talent and added Kessel to the roster.

I just can't think of a team that wants to add Kessel and is going to want to subtract one of their younger, skilled players. If anything, they would throw a similar deal at the Pens and it wouldn't be worth it (from either side, Pens or team acquiring Kessel).
- j.boyd919

Well I agree it would be difficult to find the right partner especially with the limited NTC. But I think there are teams that would benefit from this type of deal because Kessel can carry his own line. We've seen that with Bonino. So a team without superstar centers would get a lot more value out of Kessel than a good goal scoring winger who cant carry a line.

Minnesota and St. Louis are two teams that could really use Kessel. Maybe LA to some extent. Also could see the Panthers or NJ but not sure Phil would want to go there.

Sullivan isn't a fan of the "Iron Man" streak. .
- madmike71

What does that even mean?

Agreed, and this is why it comes off as NECESSARY for the league to impliment effective discipline. Even if it is only a useless fine. So it can be documented and used for future offenses.
- Doogs

Over here, the sport has a points system for offences. It means if a player does something against the rules he won't miss a game if it's minor. But, if he keeps the poop up he will end up getting enough points & miss a game. When he does something major, he will go & might be more depending on how much minor poop he's up to. Players know this, & it does keep some in check.

Just for an example, let's say Wilson got 45 points for what he did in the Blue Jackets game, then another 45 for the Dumo hit (If he gets to 100 he sits for a game), then he gets 125 for the ZAR hit. It was judged to be illegal so he also gets the suspension for the hit as well as adding to his points, so he's now on 215 so he automatically gets 2 games suspension - 100 points = 1 game. So now he's carrying 15 points after a suspension. Enter the JM hit yesterday let's say 25 points as it was late, & hes skating around on 40 points. Is he going to risk missing another game or is his coach going to let him do poop knowing another hit could sit him for another game?

What does that even mean?
- Blackstrom2

Phil Kessel has played something like 680 straight games without missing a regular season game now... people are saying he had a minor injury that affected him at the end of the season and into the playoffs. He could have ended that “iron man streak” and missed the last 2 games and would have had an 8 day break to recover and heal up before playoffs. If he did have an injury that we are gonna give him excuses for he should have sat those last 2 games and used that break to heal. We lost both of them anyways and we had no chance of catching the caps at that point. Coaches ALWAYS want there players healthy heading into playoffs but never will end a streak and sit a guy at that point without them doing it themselves.

Not sure why the end all went bold there? But hope that helps haha

Over here, the sport has a points system for offences. It means if a player does something against the rules he won't miss a game if it's minor. But, if he keeps the poop up he will end up getting enough points & miss a game. When he does something major, he will go & might be more depending on how much minor poop he's up to. Players know this, & it does keep some in check.

Just for an example, let's say Wilson got 45 points for what he did in the Blue Jackets game, then another 45 for the Dumo hit (If he gets to 100 he sits for a game), then he gets 125 for the ZAR hit. It was judged to be illegal so he also gets the suspension for the hit as well as adding to his points, so he's now on 215 so he automatically gets 2 games suspension - 100 points = 1 game. So now he's carrying 15 points after a suspension. Enter the JM hit yesterday let's say 25 points as it was late, & hes skating around on 40 points. Is he going to risk missing another game or is his coach going to let him do poop knowing another hit could sit him for another game?
- Aussiepenguin

Cetatianly better that the current system that currently just turns a blind eye to repeat offenders out to injure people.

Cetatianly better that the current system that currently just turns a blind eye to repeat offenders out to injure people.
- Doogs

Why not suspend a player for the length of time the person he injured is out? Also double every suspension for repeat offenders? I.E, Z.A.R is hit by Wilson with a dirty hit... and is out the rest of the playoffs, Wilson should also be out. Punishment should match the crime.

Why not suspend a player for the length of time the person he injured is out? Also double every suspension for repeat offenders? I.E, Z.A.R is hit by Wilson with a dirty hit... and is out the rest of the playoffs, Wilson should also be out. Punishment should match the crime.
- Chuck-Norris

Because that would be punishing the result and not the intent/action. Marchessault didn't get hurt, so he wouldn't be suspended in that scenario, and it was still an illegal hit.

Because that would be punishing the result and not the intent/action. Marchessault didn't get hurt, so he wouldn't be suspended in that scenario, and it was still an illegal hit.
- j.boyd919

Well, not necessarily. That's why I said the part about doubling suspension time for repeat offenders. So the J.M. Hit could carry a huge suspension. Of course this is all based around the NHL actually suspending him in the first place.

Why not suspend a player for the length of time the person he injured is out? Also double every suspension for repeat offenders? I.E, Z.A.R is hit by Wilson with a dirty hit... and is out the rest of the playoffs, Wilson should also be out. Punishment should match the crime.
- Chuck-Norris

Won’t work. Then if a 1st liner ever hits a 4th liner and gives him a possible concussion they could just sit the 4th liner out concussed or not and say he’s still hurt. What if Crosby hits someone and it’s borderline suspension but the guys concussion is just super bad so it ends his career? That would end Crosby’s career to off 1 borderline hit.

Won’t work. Then if a 1st liner ever hits a 4th liner and gives him a possible concussion they could just sit the 4th liner out concussed or not and say he’s still hurt. What if Crosby hits someone and it’s borderline suspension but the guys concussion is just super bad so it ends his career? That would end Crosby’s career to off 1 borderline hit.
- pens4life-66

Very true but I also don't see Sid skate half ice and leave his feet to aim at someone's head. I guess really what I'm looking for in my thought process is punishing guys that blatantly try and hurt players. Making them responsible for the length of their own suspensions biased on their history. So a guy like Wilson (who has been suspended 3 times this season) shouldn't have the little 3 games for trying to kill someone. Also sorry to say this but if Sid did end someone's career because he was careless then maybe he shouldn't be playing. (Can't believe I just said that last part because I'm sure I will hear about it)

1 thing I can tell ya.... watch out for the Penguins after Max Domi!!! Might here about it in the next week or so

1 thing I can tell ya.... watch out for the Penguins after Max Domi!!! Might here about it in the next week or so
- pens4life-66

I think I remember you bringing this up before?

I would trade Sheary straight up but thats about it..

edit: now I see this was mentioned by Friedman

I think I remember you bringing this up before?

I would trade Sheary straight up but thats about it..

edit: now I see this was mentioned by Friedman
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That was just when he got put on the trade block by the yotes when I heard about it before trade deadline. This is the first I’ve personally heard the pens specifically have major interest in him. Where is it mentioned by Friedman? I still can’t find it.

Won’t work. Then if a 1st liner ever hits a 4th liner and gives him a possible concussion they could just sit the 4th liner out concussed or not and say he’s still hurt. What if Crosby hits someone and it’s borderline suspension but the guys concussion is just super bad so it ends his career? That would end Crosby’s career to off 1 borderline hit.
- pens4life-66

There's also guys carrying injuries that may just get triggered by a hit & need surgery. The hit wasn't the source of the injury so shouldn't be responsible for the reprocussions. Too much grey with a system that is reactive, needs to be proactive & get guys like Wilson just to play hockey. Make hits by all means, but don't put hits in that are too borderline & from positions that are predatory.

Funny Tampa put a shot on Wilson early & I didn't hear too much about Wilson cheap shooting any Tampa players. I think the NHL also put it back if a player makes a big hit & gets asked to fight he has to drop the gloves. You knock a guy off his feet get ready to throw some Kaos because the gloves are getting dropped. Some players would think twice about cheap shotting anyone. (That goes for licking as well!)

[quote=Aussiepenguin]
Aussie are you actually Cathy Newman?

That was just when he got put on the trade block by the yotes when I heard about it before trade deadline. This is the first I’ve personally heard the pens specifically have major interest in him. Where is it mentioned by Friedman? I still can’t find it.
- pens4life-66

https://www.pensburgh.com...ley-cup-trade-free-agency

I don't know why everyone thinks fighting is why a guy like Reaves is good to have. You get him to give the defencemen he is chasing after something to think about. I'm happy Reaves is getting his shot to make an impact, that 4th line looked pretty solid last night.

While I was and am still perfectly happy with the Brassard trade, the Pens were missing a physical element this year and made life easy on D men going in the corners. Exactly why Kunitz should have been back.
- MacPatty

Reaves made a very good subtle play on the winner when he lifted the stick of Kempney to let the pass go through.

Definitely seen last night live how easy the knights made it look to break Washington’s 1-1-3 trap. Frustrating that the pens (and lightning) couldn’t figure this out. Forecheckers breaking out lower in the zone for defenceman to hit with a pass means more speed in neutral ice and leaves the final 3 more flat footed for a race if it’s dumped in or skated in.

Ohhh Reaves topic again... I’m sure last night it was clear he made a difference even without the goal. From who I was sitting with showed me some of the minor “scouting” sides of his game. He can actually skate well. I was watching last night and I think he’s fully aware he isn’t great at stops and starts though. He always curls rather then stopping. Positionally he was almost never outta position and apparently is very trusted by coaches in this aspect. There was at least 2 times (niskanen, Carlson) went to retrieve pucks and TOTALLY stopped skating to not get hit by reaves. Didn’t end as goals and 1 got cleared within 15 seconds but that was VERY noticeable as both times they could have easily got to the puck first instead of 2 different board battles that ensued. Other thing that was pointed out was when Reaves goes to set up in front of the net nobody touches him or tries to box him out first like every player is taught to do now so he gets perfect positioning for a tip or screen. Easily one of there top 10 forwards last night again and I’m sure nobody is doubting at least that game.
- pens4life-66

That is a good point. It is also the reason for the Hornqvist-Neal trade. The Pens had no one and it showed in the Ranger series.

I have always said if you want to win in the playoffs you need guys who can win the the battles in front of the net.

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/5/30/17408008/penguins-coyotes-domi-trade-rumors-friedman-lemieux-stanley-cup-trade-free-agency
- j.boyd919

So Kessel, Hunwick and a pick or two for Domi

https://www.pensburgh.com/2018/5/30/17408008/penguins-coyotes-domi-trade-rumors-friedman-lemieux-stanley-cup-trade-free-agency
- j.boyd919

I have no idea what AZ would want for Domi. He's pretty risky. If AZ wants Sprong for him, do you pull the trigger? On one hand the potential is there, on the other he had back to back 9 goal seasons. Sprong is a pretty safe bet for more production than that and will be cheaper. Domi of course has more position flexibility, one good season under his belt, and high draft status.

Would we trade a guy like Rust? I dont think we should. That pretty much leaves Sheary and draft picks,

So Kessel, Hunwick and a pick or two for Domi
- Feds91Stammer

Sheary, Hunwick, a 1st and a 2nd.

So Kessel, Hunwick and a pick or two for Domi
- Feds91Stammer

Nah.

Kessel + Letang for OEL, Domi and a 1st