[quote=jmatchett383]
You aren't necessarily wrong but it would be easy to find more useful players for your 4th line.

get rid of the instigator and see how tough Wilson really is.

get rid of the instigator and see how tough Wilson really is.
- vandymeer23

Him staring straight ahead on the final face off while Reaves gave him an earful spoke volumes

get rid of the instigator and see how tough Wilson really is.
- vandymeer23

He's pretty tough.

Wilson and Reaves are not that far apart for career games / career goals considering ice time and quality of teammate.

LETS GO CAPS.

Definitely seen last night live how easy the knights made it look to break Washington’s 1-1-3 trap. Frustrating that the pens (and lightning) couldn’t figure this out. Forecheckers breaking out lower in the zone for defenceman to hit with a pass means more speed in neutral ice and leaves the final 3 more flat footed for a race if it’s dumped in or skated in.

Ohhh Reaves topic again... I’m sure last night it was clear he made a difference even without the goal. From who I was sitting with showed me some of the minor “scouting” sides of his game. He can actually skate well. I was watching last night and I think he’s fully aware he isn’t great at stops and starts though. He always curls rather then stopping. Positionally he was almost never outta position and apparently is very trusted by coaches in this aspect. There was at least 2 times (niskanen, Carlson) went to retrieve pucks and TOTALLY stopped skating to not get hit by reaves. Didn’t end as goals and 1 got cleared within 15 seconds but that was VERY noticeable as both times they could have easily got to the puck first instead of 2 different board battles that ensued. Other thing that was pointed out was when Reaves goes to set up in front of the net nobody touches him or tries to box him out first like every player is taught to do now so he gets perfect positioning for a tip or screen. Easily one of there top 10 forwards last night again and I’m sure nobody is doubting at least that game.

From last blog
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Trading Kessel for multiple young assets includes at least one proven young NHL player. So just for complete poops and giggles... If we traded Kessel for Rickard Rackell + pick + prospect and then sign Neal/JvR/Kovy.... we can replace Phil by committee, get younger, fix the imbalance of RW/LW, get more two way play, and add to the farm system. (Note I threw out RR as an example because someone else brought it up...but a player similar to that).

I understand that Phils production would be hard if not impossible to replace, but there are plausible scenarios that could make it wise to sell high. Vegas is proving once again the value of quality deph through 4 lines.

Another guy who oculd be the centerpiece of a Kessel trade....Viktor Arvidsson. A little bit like the Neal/Hornqvist trade all over.

Checks the boxes like Rakell does...Age, sweetheart contract, goal production, speed,LW, etc. Not saying NSH would do this.. and they definitely need to add more in the deal but that's the type of player to Target.

Definitely seen last night live how easy the knights made it look to break Washington’s 1-1-3 trap. Frustrating that the pens (and lightning) couldn’t figure this out. Forecheckers breaking out lower in the zone for defenceman to hit with a pass means more speed in neutral ice and leaves the final 3 more flat footed for a race if it’s dumped in or skated in.

Ohhh Reaves topic again... I’m sure last night it was clear he made a difference even without the goal. From who I was sitting with showed me some of the minor “scouting” sides of his game. He can actually skate well. I was watching last night and I think he’s fully aware he isn’t great at stops and starts though. He always curls rather then stopping. Positionally he was almost never outta position and apparently is very trusted by coaches in this aspect. There was at least 2 times (niskanen, Carlson) went to retrieve pucks and TOTALLY stopped skating to not get hit by reaves. Didn’t end as goals and 1 got cleared within 15 seconds but that was VERY noticeable as both times they could have easily got to the puck first instead of 2 different board battles that ensued. Other thing that was pointed out was when Reaves goes to set up in front of the net nobody touches him or tries to box him out first like every player is taught to do now so he gets perfect positioning for a tip or screen. Easily one of there top 10 forwards last night again and I’m sure nobody is doubting at least that game.
- pens4life-66

...well, there's only 12 in total.

I agree with most of what you said though. He had a great game.

From last blog
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Trading Kessel for multiple young assets includes at least one proven young NHL player. So just for complete poops and giggles... If we traded Kessel for Rickard Rackell + pick + prospect and then sign Neal/JvR/Kovy.... we can replace Phil by committee, get younger, fix the imbalance of RW/LW, get more two way play, and add to the farm system. (Note I threw out RR as an example because someone else brought it up...but a player similar to that).

I understand that Phils production would be hard if not impossible to replace, but there are plausible scenarios that could make it wise to sell high. Vegas is proving once again the value of quality deph through 4 lines.

Another guy who oculd be the centerpiece of a Kessel trade....Viktor Arvidsson. A little bit like the Neal/Hornqvist trade all over.

Checks the boxes like Rakell does...Age, sweetheart contract, goal production, speed,LW, etc. Not saying NSH would do this.. and they definitely need to add more in the deal but that's the type of player to Target.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Can't see the Preds ever doing that one....

He's pretty tough.
- Blackstrom2

He is, yup. Bit dumb though too. Just does boneheaded stuff that ends up hurting the team sometimes.

He is, yup. Bit dumb though too. Just does boneheaded stuff that ends up hurting the team sometimes.
- MattStrat

I'm just saying, he used to fight a lot. He's fought Reaves twice in the NHL. It's not like he can't hold his own in a fight.

Wilson and Reaves are not that far apart for career games / career goals considering ice time and quality of teammate.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Reaves actually has a better career G60 but I don't think you will find many people that know what they are talking about call Wilson a good hockey player.

Reaves actually has a better career G60 but I don't think you will find many people that know what they are talking about call Wilson a good hockey player.
- Feds91Stammer

Wilson has been a good hockey player this season. I wanted to trade him for pennies last summer, but he had a good year. He's done a lot of work to watch videos and try to improve his game from more than a borderline 4th liner. We'll see next season though.

Wilson has been a good hockey player this season. I wanted to trade him for pennies last summer, but he had a good year. He's done a lot of work to watch videos and try to improve his game from more than a borderline 4th liner. We'll see next season though.
- Blackstrom2

Abdelkader 2.0

He's a bum

Reaves actually has a better career G60 but I don't think you will find many people that know what they are talking about call Wilson a good hockey player.
- Feds91Stammer

Barry Trotz has said that exact quote in the Columbus series on Wilson....
“Tom has become a good hockey player for us and has fit very well on our top line. He plays the game hard and is one of our key penalty killers.”

From last blog
--
Trading Kessel for multiple young assets includes at least one proven young NHL player. So just for complete poops and giggles... If we traded Kessel for Rickard Rackell + pick + prospect and then sign Neal/JvR/Kovy.... we can replace Phil by committee, get younger, fix the imbalance of RW/LW, get more two way play, and add to the farm system. (Note I threw out RR as an example because someone else brought it up...but a player similar to that).

I understand that Phils production would be hard if not impossible to replace, but there are plausible scenarios that could make it wise to sell high. Vegas is proving once again the value of quality deph through 4 lines.

Another guy who oculd be the centerpiece of a Kessel trade....Viktor Arvidsson. A little bit like the Neal/Hornqvist trade all over.

Checks the boxes like Rakell does...Age, sweetheart contract, goal production, speed,LW, etc. Not saying NSH would do this.. and they definitely need to add more in the deal but that's the type of player to Target.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm not sure you're going to find a team that wants to part with legit NHL talent to add Kessel to the roster. The teams that are going to want Kessel are going to want him to put them over the top in terms of talent. Trading away a Rackell, Arvidsson, etc. would make no sense as the team would be getting older, heavier on the cap, and removing a solid player from the team just to acquire Kessel. The reason the Pens trade for Kessel was such a good deal, is they really lost no NHL talent and added Kessel to the roster.

I just can't think of a team that wants to add Kessel and is going to want to subtract one of their younger, skilled players. If anything, they would throw a similar deal at the Pens and it wouldn't be worth it (from either side, Pens or team acquiring Kessel).

He is, yup. Bit dumb though too. Just does boneheaded stuff that ends up hurting the team sometimes.
- MattStrat

He’s prototypical new nhl tough guy. Picks his spots. Hurts other players on purpose. Everyone he usually fights is smaller.

Wilson has been a good hockey player this season. I wanted to trade him for pennies last summer, but he had a good year. He's done a lot of work to watch videos and try to improve his game from more than a borderline 4th liner. We'll see next season though.
- Blackstrom2

He's a scumbag like Cooke who likes to injure people. Cooke was a pretty good player too, unfortunately he was a sick fuk too who enjoyed hurting people.

By the way, Yohe has a good article on the Kessel/Sully situation. Sounds pretty rocky. He says they're not actively shopping him, but will listen to offers.

For those without a subscription.... Phil was pissed about not playing with Malkin in the playoffs and Sullivan isn't a fan of the "Iron Man" streak. He mentions some other things too....

He also makes it very clear that Sullivan has all the power. I guess we'll see where it goes.

By the way, Yohe has a good article on the Kessel/Sully situation. Sounds pretty rocky. He says they're not actively shopping him, but will listen to offers.

For those without a subscription.... Phil was pissed about not playing with Malkin in the playoffs and Sullivan isn't a fan of the "Iron Man" streak. He mentions some other things too....

He also makes it very clear that Sullivan has all the power. I guess we'll see where it goes.
- madmike71

Yeah it's just Yohe regurgitating the same stories.

Why is this repeat offender allowed to continue to throw career threatening hits and simply blame the victim for knowing the hit was coming, admiring his pass, had his head down and he is taller. What a crap show this guy is.

But the Neanderthals in the NHL don’t care about the players in the game, the impact it has on results and the way it teaches young players to play the game.

By the way, Yohe has a good article on the Kessel/Sully situation. Sounds pretty rocky. He says they're not actively shopping him, but will listen to offers.

For those without a subscription.... Phil was pissed about not playing with Malkin in the playoffs and Sullivan isn't a fan of the "Iron Man" streak. He mentions some other things too....

He also makes it very clear that Sullivan has all the power. I guess we'll see where it goes.
- madmike71

Elliotte Freidman pretty much said the same thing on Calgary sports radio station. Said on Mark Maddens comments... “Well, I think what you have to be careful of is when you say ‘closer to becoming a reality,’ do they have a partner yet,” wondered Friedman. “I do think Mark’s right on. I don’t have any reason to doubt his reporting. He knows that organization really well and I think there is truth to that. But I just think it’s going to be a kind of complicated deal.”

"Is it something the penguins want to do? For the right deal for them they will definitely trade him and I dont think thats a very well kept secret but it will have to be a trade where they get a player thats ready to help now."

Still saying from the start something doesnt seem to be ok around that situation. Where theres smoke, theres fire Id say.

Gunner can't help but put down Reaves even when he does good things. Pretty ordinary.

Also, unless the NHL rules change, doubt any player fights a guy that won't fight or declines the invitation. That's obvious, not sure why people can't understand that & continue on with this detergent nonsense!

Wilson will continue to cheap shot knowing he doesn't have to fight no matter who is on the other team. Pretty simple.

[quote=Feds91Stammer]

Hey Steamer, are you saying players can't develop over their careers?

This is another beauty........