4 x 4.5M for Miller

McD has not shown enough for me to say he should definitely be re-signed. He would also be 30 when his next contract starts. Pretty much red flag territory there.
- Feds91Stammer

That I would love.

Agree on McD, hence my "next season will tell". But players dont like to move to much. If he wants 7x7 or something, let him walk. But if he signs a team-friendly deal it should be a no brainer (if he doesnt poop his pants all next year).

That I would love.

Agree on McD, hence my "next season will tell". But players dont like to move to much. If he wants 7x7 or something, let him walk. But if he signs a team-friendly deal it should be a no brainer (if he doesnt poop his pants all next year).
- Cloud

i think he looked really good in the playoffs, hopefully that is him finally settling into the teams way of playing and it carries into next year. i would love to resign him if that was the case.

if you have hedman mcdonagh stamkos kucherov point vasilevskiy and sergachev to a certain extent and you do not win a cup with the roster i think it is an absoloute failure. callahan must go, paquette must go, i think killorn should be stapled to the 3rd line never to be in the top 6. his contract was a huge mistake. johnson i would like to see moved for whatever we can get , and bring in someone like joseph or volkov to play wing. cirelli killorn erne is a pretty decent 3rd line imo. Katchouk and raddysh need time in the AHL, how much time we will see.

i do not blame yzerman for the johnson deal as i don't think anyone thought brayden point would be this good and we did not really have much options right away at 2c when johnson was signed, but they were on the way. that is why the 7 year deal kind of surprised me. clearly yzerman sees johnson and killorn as part of this core though, and i do not think they will be going anywhere. the roster does not need to be blown up , but I think the surrounding cast needs to be different IMO. We need some guys who are fighting for their NHL careers, it brings competition which brings out maximum effort in everyone. These guys seem like they've gotten complacent a little bit.

i think he looked really good in the playoffs, hopefully that is him finally settling into the teams way of playing and it carries into next year. i would love to resign him if that was the case.

if you have hedman mcdonagh stamkos kucherov point vasilevskiy and sergachev to a certain extent and you do not win a cup with the roster i think it is an absoloute failure. callahan must go, paquette must go, i think killorn should be stapled to the 3rd line never to be in the top 6. his contract was a huge mistake. johnson i would like to see moved for whatever we can get , and bring in someone like joseph or volkov to play wing. cirelli killorn erne is a pretty decent 3rd line imo. Katchouk and raddysh need time in the AHL, how much time we will see.

i do not blame yzerman for the johnson deal as i don't think anyone thought brayden point would be this good and we did not really have much options right away at 2c when johnson was signed, but they were on the way. that is why the 7 year deal kind of surprised me. clearly yzerman sees johnson and killorn as part of this core though, and i do not think they will be going anywhere. the roster does not need to be blown up , but I think the surrounding cast needs to be different IMO. We need some guys who are fighting for their NHL careers, it brings competition which brings out maximum effort in everyone. These guys seem like they've gotten complacent a little bit.
- RileyB77

I don't understand how having one good hockey player makes having a second good hockey player expendable.

"Hey this guy is good, lets get rid of our other good player for whatever reason."

4 x 4.5M for Miller

McD has not shown enough for me to say he should definitely be re-signed. He would also be 30 when his next contract starts. Pretty much red flag territory there.
- Feds91Stammer

If they can sign Miller for that it would be a done deal. But I look at Killorn as his comparable and he got 7 X 4.45M and Johnson got 7 X 5M. Its going to be interesting how it plays out if they resign Miller. Callahan, Coburn, Stralman, and McDonagh all have M-NTC nows so any of them could be moved.

Next year is not a problem for the Bolts they can resign and sign what they need it is the following year everything gets interesting but like you said they also have a lot of contracts ending that year.

I like Miller and he is what this team needs like I said but they are stuck with Killorn's contract that has a NTC. Miller is what Killorn wants to be. It would be good to have Miller resigned but I don't think the money adds up with who is currently signed and 21,86, 88, 98 all due for raises soon.
- stammerman

I definitely prefer Miller to Killorn. If possible I think we try and trade Killorn and Johnson, either this season or next.

It leaves us with a good core:
Offense: Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Palat, and Miller (possibly)
Defense: Hedman, Sergachev, Mcdonough (possibly), and Foote (hopefully)

I don't understand how having one good hockey player makes having a second good hockey player expendable.

"Hey this guy is good, lets get rid of our other good player for whatever reason."
- j.boyd919

because johnson was our 2c and point took over that role. now we have young guys who can play wing and johnson is not producing like he once did. the surrounding cast of the core needs to be shaken up and i believe he is one of those players.

also need to resign vasilevskiy kucherov point......saving whatever money we can

because johnson was our 2c and point took over that role. now we have young guys who can play wing and johnson is not producing like he once did. the surrounding cast of the core needs to be shaken up and i believe he is one of those players.

also need to resign vasilevskiy kucherov point......saving whatever money we can
- RileyB77

He's also a player that should fetch Yzerman a good return. He's a 2nd line center on a good contract, that's also a proven playoff performer.

because johnson was our 2c and point took over that role. now we have young guys who can play wing and johnson is not producing like he once did. the surrounding cast of the core needs to be shaken up and i believe he is one of those players.

also need to resign vasilevskiy kucherov point......saving whatever money we can
- RileyB77

Johnson put up 50 points this season. He's producing just fine.

He's also a player that should fetch Yzerman a good return. He's a 2nd line center on a good contract, that's also a proven playoff performer.
- jvar17

So you don't want a capable 2nd line center playing on the roster for depth scoring? That's bonkers.

Question for you all suggesting trading Killorn or Johnson (2 guys that performed well this season). Why are you trading them and what are you realistically looking for in return? This team does not currently have a cap issue and even when new deals are needed for some key players they should be fine.

Question for you all suggesting trading Killorn or Johnson (2 guys that performed well this season). Why are you trading them and what are you realistically looking for in return? This team does not currently have a cap issue and even when new deals are needed for some key players they should be fine.
- Feds91Stammer

If they resign Miller I would be fine if they moved Killorn, he is the most frustrating 40p winger because he doesn't play to his size and I know you have seen him play the guy can't stay upright on his skates... I always laugh in the arena when he falls. I think his contract is a little high for his value as well.

I don't know what return he would bring but he is likely staying as he has 2 years left on his NTC.

They should keep Johnson if they can. Johnny be goode in a pinch to play 1C or 2C or 3C if needed as well as RW.

The one guy I could see the Lightning moving who would upset some people is Yanni Gourde, can he be the next Marchessault possibly but I think the Lightning could get a good return for him and have the youngsters to replace him. I wonder what his next contract would look like if he repeats his performance from this year.

Johnson put up 50 points this season. He's producing just fine.
- j.boyd919

i said he wasn't producing like he once was. he is expendable for a good return. the surrounding cast needs to be shaken up, as i've said.

If they resign Miller I would be fine if they moved Killorn, he is the most frustrating 40p winger because he doesn't play to his size and I know you have seen him play the guy can't stay upright on his skates... I always laugh in the arena when he falls. I think his contract is a little high for his value as well.

I don't know what return he would bring but he is likely staying as he has 2 years left on his NTC.

They should keep Johnson if they can. Johnny be goode in a pinch to play 1C or 2C or 3C if needed as well as RW.
- stammerman

I get the frustration but the stats show Killorn produce well for his cap hit. How does moving him improve the team is what I'm getting at?

i said he wasn't producing like he once was. he is expendable for a good return. the surrounding cast needs to be shaken up, as i've said.
- RileyB77

He scored 72 points in his age 24 season aka the general peak year based on aging curves. Regression should have been expected and it did happen.

i said he wasn't producing like he once was. he is expendable for a good return. the surrounding cast needs to be shaken up, as i've said.
- RileyB77

"like he once was" Are you talking about his ONE 72 point season and not the other 4 seasons where he CONSISTENTLY hovers around 40-50 points? If anything he has been scoring exactly like he has been.

Question for you all suggesting trading Killorn or Johnson (2 guys that performed well this season). Why are you trading them and what are you realistically looking for in return? This team does not currently have a cap issue and even when new deals are needed for some key players they should be fine.
- Feds91Stammer

I dont want to trade either of them, Killorns cap i fine actually for what he brings and he was a beast against the Devils. Depth down the middle is good, but it takes away alot of cap. Pittsburg is doing it with Sid,Geno,Brass but they dont have a Kuch for ~10m.

What I am saying is that i dont want 15-16m locked up the next several years in Johnson, Killorn, Miller. As you say, they have reached their career peaks. Having that much cap in complementary players is dangerous.

I dont want to trade either of them, Killorns cap i fine actually for what he brings and he was a beast against the Devils. Depth down the middle is good, but it takes away alot of cap. Pittsburg is doing it with Sid,Geno,Brass but they dont have a Kuch for ~10m.

What I am saying is that i dont want 15-16m locked up the next several years in Johnson, Killorn, Miller. As you say, they have reached their career peaks. Having that much cap in complementary players is dangerous.
- Cloud

I get that but Yzerman has shown he is competent enough to make major trades. So cross that cap related trade bridge when you get there?

I get that but Yzerman has shown he is competent enough to make major trades. So cross that cap related trade bridge when you get there?
- Feds91Stammer

Yupp, im just closing my eyes, holding on tight and trusting the Yzerplan..

.. as i did when i lost my virginity

Yupp, im just closing my eyes, holding on tight and trusting the Yzerplan..

.. as i did when i lost my virginity
- Cloud

Johnson, McD, and a 1st for Karlsson

I get that but Yzerman has shown he is competent enough to make major trades. So cross that cap related trade bridge when you get there?
- Feds91Stammer

If Yzerman is able to fit everyone under the cap while keeping everyone I'm fine with keeping them. If not I trust him to make good trades to keep the core players, as he's won like 90% of the ones he's made.

All the talent in the world means nothing without effort. The effort we saw in the Boston series was not present in the Caps series. No urgency. No hustle. Total passivity.

Game 6 elimination game - 24 shots on goal. Only 6 shots in the first period. Only 8 in the second period. On home ice. In an elimination game. Sorry, but the Caps are not *that* good. The lack of effort was disgusting. Entitlement? Coaching? Tranquilizers in the water bottles? The Lightning should have had 36+ shots in that game - anything less is unacceptable.

It certainly wasn't fatigue after closing out the first two series early.

I hope Stammer and Kuch were playing hurt. If not, time to give both of them a blanket party and straighten their asses out.

Question for you all suggesting trading Killorn or Johnson (2 guys that performed well this season). Why are you trading them and what are you realistically looking for in return? This team does not currently have a cap issue and even when new deals are needed for some key players they should be fine.
- Feds91Stammer

I'd be trading Johnson to free up cap space to fill holes that are needed. What you lose in Johnson, if you put him at 2C, is replaced by Point. You need to fill holes on the blueline and you need to make sure you have enough for Vasey and Serg. Why trade him now, well because now is the easiest time to. His NTC kicks in July 1st and do we really think he is going to just get better YOY for the next 6 years? Basically can we get better by clearing up that $5m, I think so.

Johnson, McD, and a 1st for Karlsson
- Feds91Stammer

Gimme gimme,

But we dont have a first to trade

All the talent in the world means nothing without effort. The effort we saw in the Boston series was not present in the Caps series. No urgency. No hustle. Total passivity.

Game 6 elimination game - 24 shots on goal. Only 6 shots in the first period. Only 8 in the second period. On home ice. In an elimination game. Sorry, but the Caps are not *that* good. The lack of effort was disgusting. Entitlement? Coaching? Tranquilizers in the water bottles? The Lightning should have had 36+ shots in that game - anything less is unacceptable.

It certainly wasn't fatigue after closing out the first two series early.

I hope Stammer and Kuch were playing hurt. If not, time to give both of them a blanket party and straighten their asses out.
- GalacticStone

None of them where hurt acording to exit interviews..