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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: On Evander Kane and 'Canes left-winger, Jeff Skinner
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BatFan88
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 01.10.2016

May 23 @ 2:12 PM ET
heh. so was I.
- TheSabresTaco


I was early March, caught a Tampa, Florida game. Good game, cool arena.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
"Bills are morons for outright releasing Incognito"
- TheSabresTaco


FWIW I was one of those people, but simply because I thought releasing him was for the purpose of him signing with another team. Personally, I don't think we should release players who just think they got a raw deal on something they negotiated and agreed to. He obviously has mental issues, that's sad, but still I would have retained him and masked my intentions with the "we're going to be here for Richie" themed presser.

If they released him truly because he's bat poop crazy, then that's a horse of a different pasture.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 2:25 PM ET
We do need a winger for Eichel but I'm not to thrilled to move ROR to get Skinner.
- SABRES 89


I'm willing to bet Carolina would add. But the scenario is based off of two teams publicly stating they want wholesale change.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 23 @ 2:26 PM ET
We do need a winger for Eichel but I'm not to thrilled to move ROR to get Skinner.
- SABRES 89


Nail on the head.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 2:28 PM ET
I was early March, caught a Tampa, Florida game. Good game, cool arena.
- BatFan88


Cool, us too. I had to take my wife to WDW before our girl is born. We were down in Tampa on the 12th-16th, went to a Tampa game, hit a bunch of breweries.. was a nice time.. cool though. 7eventh Sun brew was really good as well.
mattsox
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.14.2012

May 23 @ 2:29 PM ET
We do need a winger for Eichel but I'm not to thrilled to move ROR to get Skinner.
- SABRES 89


I wonder if anyone would take the Okposo contract? That would be 6 of Skinner's 7 million.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

May 23 @ 2:31 PM ET
I wonder if anyone would take the Okposo contract? That would be 6 of Skinner's 7 million.
- mattsox


Many reasons why this would never happen, first and foremost Okposo has a full no trade
mattsox
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.14.2012

May 23 @ 2:32 PM ET
Many reasons why this would never happen, first and foremost Okposo has a full no trade
- Slump Buster


ugh! Thanks Murray
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 2:33 PM ET
FWIW I was one of those people, but simply because I thought releasing him was for the purpose of him signing with another team. Personally, I don't think we should release players who just think they got a raw deal on something they negotiated and agreed to. He obviously has mental issues, that's sad, but still I would have retained him and masked my intentions with the "we're going to be here for Richie" themed presser.

If they released him truly because he's bat poop crazy, then that's a horse of a different pasture.

- RhinoFan


Beane totally avoided any questions regarding him after the draft. Seemed to be a sensitive situation at the time, even. Typically, just releasing an asset is something even a remotely intelligent office shouldn't do. They didn't do it with Bolden. So if you think about it, on top of the crazy poop he said, and they outright released him off the retirement list, the Bills clearly wanted to sever all ties. This latest incident shows precisely why he was released.

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 23 @ 2:43 PM ET
10.5 is way too much money for him. Best case scenario, a goalie plays 60 games in a season. He's basically making 12.5 million if you prorate it over 82 games
- jcragcrumple



Ror and bogo to habs for price. They keep 1.5 of his salary.

Sabres are a playoff team
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

May 23 @ 2:43 PM ET
driving back after the game, so I will be on a 4 or 5 beer limit



- homiedclown



Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

May 23 @ 2:47 PM ET
Ror and bogo to habs for price. They keep 1.5 of his salary.

(1) Sabres are a playoff team

- Boss34


(2) waitresses throughout WNY wind up getting preggers.

(3) we all PAY THE PRICE her.r. Komissar!!!!
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

May 23 @ 2:57 PM ET



they never admit when we were right though

- homiedclown



I thought I saw that kane signed 7 x7 with San jose?

Did he extend in buffalo? Did we get the (2) 1st rounders?

Some don't admit when they are wrong around here either.

Pretty sure the consensus was ek9 signs a 5/7 year 6/8 million $ deal.

I thought it would be Vancouver, I am wrong.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

May 23 @ 2:57 PM ET
Nail on the head.
- RhinoFan

Might not be another way to get him, might have ti go a different route.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
probably at Gerbe
- Whatnot78


The real question is did he miss??
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
Sabres have 13/23 roster spots filled (signed through next season)

Sabres have 33/50 contracts. You can assume about 8/10 of those will be new contracts for the NHL team (Ullmark, Nelson the other 2). The other two may be current AHL guys. So that's 41 or 42 contracts. Sabres need to sign the following:

Smith, C.J., RFA
O'Regan, Danny, RFA
Malone, Sean, RFA
Griffith, Seth, UFA
Wilcox, Adam, UFA
Kasdorf, Jason, RFA
Fasching, Hudson, RFA
Baptiste, Nicholas, RFA
Bailey, Justin, RFA
Redmond, Zach, UFA

Sabres also need to sign Dahlin. So let's say 43 contracts are already locked up. Sabres right now also have 51/90 reserve contracts. This includes all unsigned prospects that have never signed an ELC. Does not include AHL contracts.

Which means there are around 7 more NHL contracts the team can sign, with 10 guys that need re-signing. So, what happens?

CJ Smith - yes
Danny O'Regan - yes
Sean Malone - yes
Seth Griffith - maybe
Adam Wilcox (or similar) - yes
Jason Kasdorf - no (AHL or release)
Hudson Fasching - maybe
Nick Baptiste - yes
Justin Bailey - yes
Zach Redmond - yes

Redmond was a great piece for Rochester last year, I hope they re-up him. Griffith and Fasching might be the odd men out here. Even releasing those two, you're right on the edge of the contract limit. So, to the three prospects we own looking for a contract.. it appears it's either an AHL deal or back to the draft.

Of course, if you can rid yourself of Karabacek, Beaulieu and Martin, that gives you some flexibility.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
We do need a winger for Eichel but I'm not to thrilled to move ROR to get Skinner.
- SABRES 89


Pass, concussion issue puts the end to that discussion.
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

May 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
We do need a winger for Eichel but I'm not to thrilled to move ROR to get Skinner.
- SABRES 89


Agreed but not Skinner. Wrong age with our young core and wrong contract (UFA in 1 year). Will likely ask for Kane-like money if he were to waive his no trade clause to come to Buffalo. Would rather use ROR to get us younger, cheaper assets.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
Pass, concussion issue puts the end to that discussion.
- gordong


Would you take Sidney Crosby on this team? just curious.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
Agreed but not Skinner. Wrong age with our young core and wrong contract (UFA in 1 year). Will likely ask for Kane-like money if he were to waive his no trade clause to come to Buffalo. Would rather use ROR to get us younger, cheaper assets.
- SabreWest

You need vets, cant have all young kids.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Pass, concussion issue puts the end to that discussion.
- gordong


last concussion he has was 4 years ago.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
You need vets, cant have all young kids.
- ImThatGuy


whatever gerbe, you're not my dad.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:07 PM ET
Sabres have 13/23 roster spots filled (signed through next season)

Sabres have 33/50 contracts. You can assume about 8 of those will be new contracts for the NHL team. The other two may be current AHL guys. So that's 41 or 42 contracts. Sabres need to sign the following:

Smith, C.J., RFA
O'Regan, Danny, RFA
Malone, Sean, RFA
Griffith, Seth, UFA
Wilcox, Adam, UFA
Kasdorf, Jason, RFA
Fasching, Hudson, RFA
Baptiste, Nicholas, RFA
Bailey, Justin, RFA
Redmond, Zach, UFA

Sabres also need to sign Dahlin. So let's say 43 contracts are already locked up. Sabres right now also have 51/90 reserve contracts. This includes all unsigned prospects that have never signed an ELC. Does not include AHL contracts.

Which means there are around 7 more NHL contracts the team can sign, with 10 guys that need re-signing. So, what happens?

CJ Smith - yes
Danny O'Regan - yes
Sean Malone - yes
Seth Griffith - maybe
Adam Wilcox (or similar) - yes
Jason Kasdorf - no (AHL or release)
Hudson Fasching - maybe
Nick Baptiste - yes
Justin Bailey - yes
Zach Redmond - yes

Redmond was a great piece for Rochester last year, I hope they re-up him. Griffith and Fasching might be the odd men out here. Even releasing those two, you're right on the edge of the contract limit. So, to the three prospects we own looking for a contract.. it appears it's either an AHL deal or back to the draft.

Of course, if you can rid yourself of Karabacek, Beaulieu and Martin, that gives you some flexibility.

- TheSabresTaco


My bet would be there will be some people being moved out in some trades.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 3:08 PM ET
I thought I saw that kane signed 7 x7 with San jose?

Did he extend in buffalo? Did we get the (2) 1st rounders?

Some don't admit when they are wrong around here either.

Pretty sure the consensus was ek9 signs a 5/7 year 6/8 million $ deal.

I thought it would be Vancouver, I am wrong.

- Boss34


I thought it'd be a 5x7M. Then again, I didn't dig my heels into some dumb argument about it. I just had no idea someone would sign a player like that for 7 years.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
last concussion he has was 4 years ago.
- TheSabresTaco


And his next could be his last... why take that risk when your trading ROR
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