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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

May 23 @ 8:40 AM ET
Pass I’m not giving up our first
- gerbe75pts

Id give up pick 32 and Baptiste and that’s as far as I’d go.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 8:51 AM ET
Id give up pick 32 and Baptiste and that’s as far as I’d go.
- Pegullaville

I’m fine with that ...

Not giving up our first next year when I know we’re going to be in the top 10
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 23 @ 8:52 AM ET
Pass I’m not giving up our first
- gerbe75pts



Are you not interested in trading it, or just not Hoffman?

I'd definitely trade the pick this summer. If the pick is used by the Sabres next year, we're probably not gonna see the player in the NHL til 2021 or 22 at the earliest, or if the pick is bounced til 2020, he won't be in the NHL til 2022 or 23
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 23 @ 8:53 AM ET
I’m fine with that ...

Not giving up our first next year when I know we’re going to be in the top 10

- gerbe75pts


I'm talking about the SJS first
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 8:59 AM ET
Scouting reports suck, they never say anything bad about a player.
- Wetbandit1


the hockey writers sometimes will give a good overall report.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:00 AM ET
I'm talking about the SJS first
- jcragcrumple


I really don’t want do that the team is going to decline + Joe Pavelski and Logan are free agents next year I think they made a huge mistake signing kane

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:01 AM ET
So Kane resigning:

We now have the latest pick of the 1st round (Sabres, 32nd overall), and one of the earliest picks of the second round (21, sjs)

So do we have 3 picks in the first round this year?

- jcragcrumple


ohhhh myyyy


No, how many picks do we have? That's how many are 1st overalls

Also, the pick is a 2019.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
I really don’t want do that the team is going to decline + Joe Pavelski and Logan are free agents next year I think they made a huge mistake signing kane
- gerbe75pts


That would make the pick more attractive to another GM. If that pick gets us a primo goalscoring LW, then I would pull the trigger at the draft.
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

May 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
Have until June 1st to sign, Budik, Hagel, and Osmanski… who gets a contract?

https://www.diebytheblade...don-hagel-austin-osmanski
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:06 AM ET
Wait WGR said It’s lottery protected next year but only if they get in the top 4 ...

So if the sharks are at 5 it’s ours


Hopefully WGR isn’t blowing smoke up peoples asses
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 23 @ 9:06 AM ET
ohhhh myyyy


No, how many picks do we have? That's how many are 1st overalls

Also, the pick is a 2019.

- TheSabresTaco


Yeah, we only have 2 first rounders this year (#1 and #32)
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:07 AM ET
That would make the pick more attractive to another GM. If that pick gets us a primo goalscoring LW, then I would pull the trigger at the draft.
- jcragcrumple

Only if it gets us in the top three with a package
sskkoo1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You are all Weirdos, NY
Joined: 06.06.2012

May 23 @ 9:08 AM ET
Are you not interested in trading it, or just not Hoffman?

I'd definitely trade the pick this summer. If the pick is used by the Sabres next year, we're probably not gonna see the player in the NHL til 2021 or 22 at the earliest, or if the pick is bounced til 2020, he won't be in the NHL til 2022 or 23

- jcragcrumple



Which is fine. We need to stock the pipeline with talent that won't get her for a few years. We have a very big crop of prospects coming into Rochester this year, not all will have a roster spot at some point with the Sabres. And, we'll be in cap hell in a few seasons, so we need the cheap ELC players to be there 4-5 years from now.
Sabres1523
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 12.27.2016

May 23 @ 9:15 AM ET
I don't understand why so many people want to trade for Jeff Skinner. He's had some good seasons, but I don't think he is what we need. Now before anyone jumps on me about needing more offense, let's compare some stats:

Games G. A TP +/-

Player 1 579 204 175 379 -96

Player 2 574 186 168 354 -50

Player 1 is 26 y/o, has never played a playoff game, has not missed a lot of time, but has had 3 concussions, and would cost assets to obtain and would likely be looking to get $7m+ on his next contract.

Player 2 is 26 y/o, has just played in the playoffs for the first time, has missed time due to injuries, and is set to make $7m/ 7 years.

Now that are definitely differences in Skinner and Kane's games, but I don't see giving up what I've seen proposed for Skinner. I would rather have O'Reilly at $7.5 than Skinner at $7m. O'Reilly has a better all around game (Skinner is bad defensively.) If it wasn't for off ice issues, I'd rather have Kane than Skinner.

All that being said, if you're trading O'Reilly, you better be asking for someone like Tarasenko. Add a pick or a Baptiste/Bailey if you need, but that would be the type of player you're looking for. Most of the NHL apparently think much higher of ROR than most posters here, but the truth is, he is a valuable asset and any trade involving him will prove that.

- adambuffalo


Im not gonna speak for everyone on the bolded but I don't think many of us think ROR sucks and just want to get rid of him.
Its more the move the NHL is making towards faster skilled players, not saying ROR is not skilled, bc he is. But at this point our roster has no wingers of prominence to play a top six role, we have Eichel and Casey to Play centre for the next while. Given his cap hit, his age, his position and the fact that a team trading for him would only have to pay him 1m if traded after July 1, he has a lot of value on the market to get us some pieces we may need more than ROR going forward.

I like the game he plays, not so much his drab post game comments, but I believe all rational posters here want to move ROR because his value is high and may start to decrease as he ages.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:23 AM ET
Yeah, we only have 2 first rounders this year (#1 and #32)
- jcragcrumple


no moron we have 7 1st overall picks
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:24 AM ET
Have until June 1st to sign, Budik, Hagel, and Osmanski… who gets a contract?

https://www.diebytheblade...don-hagel-austin-osmanski

- sskkoo1


I saw somewhere Osmanski was not being offered a contract. Budik and Hagel a question mark, but general sense wasn't positive. Just my personal speculation.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

May 23 @ 9:25 AM ET
Im not gonna speak for everyone on the bolded but I don't think many of us think ROR sucks and just want to get rid of him.
Its more the move the NHL is making towards faster skilled players, not saying ROR is not skilled, bc he is. But at this point our roster has no wingers of prominence to play a top six role, we have Eichel and Casey to Play centre for the next while. Given his cap hit, his age, his position and the fact that a team trading for him would only have to pay him 1m if traded after July 1, he has a lot of value on the market to get us some pieces we may need more than ROR going forward.

I like the game he plays, not so much his drab post game comments, but I believe all rational posters here want to move ROR because his value is high and may start to decrease as he ages.

- Sabres1523



Nice post,


Ror is a drunk, slow, chatty Kathy. Trade him for next years first overall
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 23 @ 9:25 AM ET
no moron we have 7 1st overall picks
- TheSabresTaco



*Moran
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:27 AM ET
I got my info from here:
https://www.eliteprospect...yer/240112/adam-mascherin

- Sabrehagan


Kris Baker
@SabresProspects
·
22m
I like him but I couldn’t select him too high. I’d value many first-time eligible players that have greater footspeed ahead of him at 32. His shooting and offense are valuable but I’d only offer a 2019 conditional mid-round pick if I had thoughts on developing him.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:28 AM ET
no moron we have 7 1st overall picks
- TheSabresTaco


No we have

1st
Late first
Late 3rd
Late 4th
Late 5th
Late 6th
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

May 23 @ 9:29 AM ET
Im not gonna speak for everyone on the bolded but I don't think many of us think ROR sucks and just want to get rid of him.
Its more the move the NHL is making towards faster skilled players, not saying ROR is not skilled, bc he is. But at this point our roster has no wingers of prominence to play a top six role, we have Eichel and Casey to Play centre for the next while. Given his cap hit, his age, his position and the fact that a team trading for him would only have to pay him 1m if traded after July 1, he has a lot of value on the market to get us some pieces we may need more than ROR going forward.

I like the game he plays, not so much his drab post game comments, but I believe all rational posters here want to move ROR because his value is high and may start to decrease as he ages.

- Sabres1523


Very well said.
Trade players who play a position in which a surplus exists while their value is high, in exchange for players of skill and proven production at positions of need.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:29 AM ET
I saw somewhere Osmanski was not being offered a contract. Budik and Hagel a question mark, but general sense wasn't positive. Just my personal speculation.
- TheSabresTaco


They better sign Hagel I will be so pissed off
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:36 AM ET
No we have

1st
Late first = mid first = high first = first OA
Late 3rd = basically 2nd = basically 1st = basically high 1st = 1st OA
Late 4th = basically 3rd = basically 2nd = basically 1st = basically high 1st =1st OA
Late 5th = basically 4th = basically 3rd = basically 2nd = basically 1st = basically high 1st =1st OA
Late 6th = basically 5th = basically 4th = basically 3rd = basically 2nd = basically 1st = basically high 1st =1st OA

- gerbe75pts


fixed for accuracy
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

May 23 @ 9:39 AM ET
With talking it over with my family I’ve decided to take my talents to Atlanta this Friday
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 9:43 AM ET
They better sign Hagel I will be so pissed off
- gerbe75pts


Question: Does not signing Hagel make you irrational or Botterill dumb?
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