So in one calendar year Botts has added Dahlin, Mittelstadt, Pilut, Scandella, 2019 first. And subtracted Kane (UFA). Pretty good start
- Pegullaville

I would go a step further and say that jbotts didn't just add dahlin, but more importantly he secured the best opportunity to pick #1

Dejavu
- Sabresfan-365

I hear he's good.

I would go a step further and say that jbotts didn't just add dahlin, but more importantly he secured the best opportunity to pick #1
- Boss34

Continuing with the odd, non ROR, theme around here lately...

Is it just me or does it aggravate anyone else that the Sabres' coaching staff, no matter who it has been, never really gives young guys not drafted in the First a Real Chance to play in the top six? I don't mean for a few shifts or even a game or two I mean a Real good extended look at a player like Baptiste (There are and have been others) for example to see if he can succeed in that role. People keep bringing up the Vegas model as if the real reason they played so well was because they started from scratch. I think the best thing Vegas did was give players a chance to succeed at a higher level, like Karlsson for example, who was only given bottom six minutes on Columbus. Vegas gave players a real chance to succeed at a higher level, mostly out of necessity, but also because I think they have a coach patient enough to see what his players could do when given a role that better suited them.
- Sabrehagan

A number of young players have played well and secured a spot in the lineup under Phil and Disco Dan. Bailey and Baptiste have both showed the same pattern over and over again that Pach cited: They play well for a game or two, then vanish. They both had 50-some NHL games. That's plenty of opportunity. It's on them in my book. They both need a big camp.

As for Olofsson, let's let him play a few games in north america before getting too excited. Nothing he's done so far screams top line potential.

I just thought of something actually. Anyone think the Kane signing will affect Skinner's next Contract? I know a good number of people on here would like to add Skinner to the Sabres, but the real question becomes are you willing to pay Skinner at-least 7X7 as a UFA? I would rather have Skinner at that contract then Kane, mostly because he is exactly what Buffalo needs, a faster, sniper-esque, LW that should fit well with Eichel, but when you look at what he makes now and his age it's almost Identical to Kane's current situation, only Skinner has a better chance of becoming an even better goal scorer with a Center like Eichel.

I just thought of something actually. Anyone think the Kane signing will affect Skinner's next Contract? I know a good number of people on here would like to add Skinner to the Sabres, but the real question becomes are you willing to pay Skinner at-least 7X7 as a UFA? I would rather have Skinner at that contract then Kane, mostly because he is exactly what Buffalo needs, a faster, sniper-esque, LW that should fit well with Eichel, but when you look at what he makes now and his age it's almost Identical to Kane's current situation, only Skinner has a better chance of becoming an even better goal scorer with a Center like Eichel.
- Sabrehagan

I hated the idea of a long term deal for Kane. I hate the idea of a 7 year deal for Skinner even more. It's just too much term for players with their injury history.

Vanek's exactly what the Sabres are trying to do.
Outscore the opponent.

Have 10-12 forwards that can score. They call it secondary scoring. SEE PITTSBURGH

I never really liked him, but he scores goals professionally.

We deserve him cheap now, karma
- Boss34

I get the “he can score” point
But we already have so many other slower players
And besides all that...
u never answered why u think he won’t get offers from better teams?

So in one calendar year Botts has added Dahlin, Mittelstadt, Pilut, Scandella, 2019 first. And subtracted Kane (UFA). Pretty good start
- Pegullaville

Agreed
Still work to do though
We’ll see where it goes from here

If any of the kids work out up front,
we have a chance to get better just by adding them & subtracting the dead weight

A number of young players have played well and secured a spot in the lineup under Phil and Disco Dan. Bailey and Baptiste have both showed the same pattern over and over again that Pach cited: They play well for a game or two, then vanish. They both had 50-some NHL games. That's plenty of opportunity. It's on them in my book. They both need a big camp.

As for Olofsson, let's let him play a few games in north america before getting too excited. Nothing he's done so far screams top line potential.
- Lunaion

The way I see it is less the notion that they vanish and more the notion of the first site of them struggling and they are dropped down to the 3rd or 4th line. Of course they would vanish when their roles are changed so quickly like that and they get less playing time with lesser talent. I would rather see Baptiste work threw some growing pains in the top 6, then be banished to the bottom 6 every time he makes a mistake. How do they expect these young players to learn? Coach/s would rather put lesser talented vets in positions they are not meant for then take some growing pains of a young player to see if he really has what it takes to be a top 6 player.

Kind of ironic that you'd want to work so hard to maximize someone's trade value, but don't want to deal other players who are near their peak value and are against acquiring players at a low point in their value. Gotta jump in all the way if that's your game.
- Lunaion

Still waiting for an answer to who?

Nice of u to come in, talk smack & then run though...

The way I see it is less the notion that they vanish and more the notion of the first site of them struggling and they are dropped down to the 3rd or 4th line. Of course they would vanish when their roles are changed so quickly like that and they get less playing time with lesser talent. I would rather see Baptiste work threw some growing pains in the top 6, then be banished to the bottom 6 every time he makes a mistake. How do they expect these young players to learn? Coach/s would rather put lesser talented vets in positions they are not meant for then take some growing pains of a young player to see if he really has what it takes to be a top 6 player.
- Sabrehagan

Bailey is a perfect example of this

https://www.hockey-refere.../b/baileju01/gamelog/2018

When called up this year
Scored 2 goals in his 1st 3games
Got an assist in his next game, where he had a season high of 15:51 in icetime
He was looking pretty good on RORs LW to me
Next game...
dropped to under 12min in icetime for some reason
Following game, was a -2
Then banished to the 4th line after that
And instead of giving him a chance to play his way back up...
he’s sent to Rochester after that 1 game where he had less than 6min of icetime

That is not “giving him a chance”

Of course these kids are gonna be inconsistent & make mistakes
That happens with ALL young players

Maybe some of their “disappearing” has to do with them being afraid they’re gonna get demoted at the first signs of mistakes they make though
So instead of playing to make a difference
We push them in a direction where they play not to screw up

The disappearance isn’t bc of their lack of talent or effort
It’s bc we basically force them to play timid

Still waiting for an answer to who?

Nice of u to come in, talk smack & then run though...
- jdfitz77

I think he is referring to ROR. Possibly, also Sam and Risto but mostly ROR.

I think he is referring to ROR. Possibly, also Sam and Risto but mostly ROR.
- Sabrehagan

I know he’s referring to O’Reilly
Except I’ve said over & over & over that I’m ok with trading O’Reilly as long as we are getting a core player back & not just “parts”

So his response to me about not wanting to trade him was totally wrong

Also,
His general theory is crap
You’ve gotta draw the line somewhere,
otherwise an argument could be made tha we should trade Jack while he’s at his highest value, and so on

That is not “giving him a chance”

- jdfitz77

Bolding things doesn't make them true.

Still waiting for an answer to who?

Nice of u to come in, talk smack & then run though...
- jdfitz77

Never saw that, but you don't really need me to answer that anyways.

https://twitter.com/CapFr...status/998911404546633728


Hawks could be good again next year. Really wanted Kahun for us, looked great in the olympics.

Just the third undrafted player to get a max ELC

Never saw that, but you don't really need me to answer that anyways.
- Lunaion

Well since I’ve repeatedly said I’m ok with trading O’Reilly,
then your point makes little sense

The way I see it is less the notion that they vanish and more the notion of the first site of them struggling and they are dropped down to the 3rd or 4th line. Of course they would vanish when their roles are changed so quickly like that and they get less playing time with lesser talent. I would rather see Baptiste work threw some growing pains in the top 6, then be banished to the bottom 6 every time he makes a mistake. How do they expect these young players to learn? Coach/s would rather put lesser talented vets in positions they are not meant for then take some growing pains of a young player to see if he really has what it takes to be a top 6 player.
- Sabrehagan

I don't see it that way. I see Baptiste as a bottom 6 guy. If they called up Nylander and put him on the 4th line, I'd have an issue with it.

Bolding things doesn't make them true.
- Lunaion

So,
He plays 5 “good” games, where he’s in the top6 & gets 3pts
Then has 1 bad game, and is dropped to line4 for only 1 game before being sent back down

That’s giving someone a chance?
Hardly

Those 5 good games warranted more than 5:45 in icetime on line4 to redeem himself

Well since I’ve repeatedly said I’m ok with trading O’Reilly,
then your point makes little sense
- jdfitz77

You also scoff at a lot of good deals....but if you really want to sell high, Risto and Sam have to be considerations. Most lineup projections you put together are 'sell low' not 'sell high' and you routinely hate 'buy low' guys and add 'buy high' guys.

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/998911404546633728


Hawks could be good again next year. Really wanted Kahun for us, looked great in the olympics.

Just the third undrafted player to get a max ELC
- Sabresfan-365

I’m surprised we even got Pilut
I’d still like us to target Nikita Gusev & try to get his rights from Vegas

So,
He plays 5 “good” games, where he’s in the top6 & gets 3pts
Then has 1 bad game, and is dropped to line4 for only 1 game before being sent back down

That’s giving someone a chance?
Hardly

Those 5 good games warranted more than 5:45 in icetime on line4 to redeem himself
- jdfitz77

Yes, and he's had more chances than most second tier prospects get.

I don't see it that way. I see Baptiste as a bottom 6 guy. If they called up Nylander and put him on the 4th line, I'd have an issue with it.
- Lunaion

Baptiste played pretty good with McDavid, why wouldn't he be able to get a chance to play with Eichel. So far I have more faith in Baptiste sticking with Eichel then I do Nylander.

You also scoff at a lot of good deals....but if you really want to sell high, Risto and Sam have to be considerations. Most lineup projections you put together are 'sell low' not 'sell high' and you routinely hate 'buy low' guys and add 'buy high' guys.
- Lunaion

Well your opinion of “good” doesn’t mean it’s true to use your words against you

Selling high on O’Reilly doesn’t mean selling him for “what ifs” and “parts”

Sure, Sam & Risto can be sell high candidates...

IF

and apparently u missed where i said this

“Botts identifies them as players who are t part of our future”


Until proven otherwise,
I’m not gonna assume that he wants to ship out Sam, Risto, or ROR

BUT
if he does...
then he needs to maximize value with them too


And yeah...
“Buy low” guys like Pouliot bring nothing to the future of this team
So no thanks
Now if it’s a buy low guy like Vanek,
then fine i guess
But he’s not part of the future here
So get him on a 1 year deal & trade him at the deadline

Also... there’s A LOT of “buy low” deals that i do like
Oglevie, Smith, E Rod, etc

So why don’t u quit being a troll
Since u obviously can’t comprehend what I’m actually saying

Yes, and he's had more chances than most second tier prospects get.
- Lunaion

That scenario was not giving him a chance
Keep on trolling

U obviously don’t have a clue if u think 1 bad game deserves banishment