We seem to have good luck with 7th round picks...
2005 Anton Stralman
2007 Carl Gunnarsson
2011 Garet Sparks
2013 Andreas Johnson
2014 Pierre Engvall
- oldstyle

the 2006 Draft 5 of the 7 picks played at least 300 NHL games which includes a Goalie. thats pretty amzing

the Burke years are pretty Lean actually. Outside of Kadri a big whiff on everyone else (Sparks tbd)

the Leafs bad drafting is pretty overstated.

No its not

they have been about middle of the league.
- senstroll

Nah, just below average.

2003 - complete garbage
2004- more garbage
2005 - Rask and stalman - good picks, the rest garbage
2006 - this was a decent year. Koma, reimer, kulemin, holzer, stalberg - no stars but each has played or continues to play in the NHL
2007 - gunnarson - the rest garbage.
2008 - Schenn - bad pick, Hayes - the rest meh
2009 - Kadri - good pick - the rest garbage
2010 - Carrick, Ross? not much to talk about this draft year.
2011 Sparks, Leivo , Percy, biggs. - Sparks looks good, leivo...AHl'er who will dip his toes into the NHL...but other than that...meh.
2012 - Reilly, Brown....good picks the rest meh
2013 - nothing to really talk about ...except Johnsson looks good.

I would say just below average.

But do the A's have a DH that can throw a hitless inning?

Ugh, I was at that game on Sunday. It was bad.
- TheMussel

i was too busy to catch most of the games..and the one I did..turned it on at 1-0 ..watched the longest 1/2 inning of my Life and the Jays ended down 9-0 ..I turned it off and went outside

right now its just waiting for Vlad

although, the Jays are 22-25..which is close to what they were every season from 2015-2017 at this point. so its still early

the 2006 Draft 5 of the 7 picks played at least 300 NHL games which includes a Goalie. thats pretty amzing

the Burke years are pretty Lean actually. Outside of Kadri a big whiff on everyone else (Sparks tbd)

the Leafs bad drafting is pretty overstated.
- senstroll

Rielly?

the 2006 Draft 5 of the 7 picks played at least 300 NHL games which includes a Goalie. thats pretty amzing

the Burke years are pretty Lean actually. Outside of Kadri a big whiff on everyone else (Sparks tbd)

the Leafs bad drafting is pretty overstated.
- senstroll

Rielly

Nah, just below average.

2003 - complete garbage
2004- more garbage
2005 - Rask and stalman - good picks, the rest garbage
2006 - this was a decent year. Koma, reimer, kulemin, holzer, stalberg - no stars but each has played or continues to play in the NHL
2007 - gunnarson - the rest garbage.
2008 - Schenn - bad pick, Hayes - the rest meh
2009 - Kadri - good pick - the rest garbage
2010 - Carrick, Ross? not much to talk about this draft year.
2011 Sparks, Leivo , Percy, biggs. - Sparks looks good, leivo...AHl'er who will dip his toes into the NHL...but other than that...meh.
2012 - Reilly, Brown....good picks the rest meh
2013 - nothing to really talk about ...except Johnsson looks good.

I would say just below average.
- Fakepartofme

without any league wide context and knowing how many picks they had this is pretty meaningless info.

example 2007 . they had 6 picks. No 1sts or 2nds.
So getting a NHL dman who plays 550 NHL games with a 7th rounder is not bad overall.

Like I said..if you compare to the rest of the league and how much they also produce NHL talent from the picks they made...they are in the middle somewhere.

Vancouver is bad

Rielly?
- Atomic Wedgie

Really?

i was too busy to catch most of the games..and the one I did..turned it on at 1-0 ..watched the longest 1/2 inning of my Life and the Jays ended down 9-0 ..I turned it off and went outside

right now its just waiting for Vlad

although, the Jays are 22-25..which is close to what they were every season from 2015-2017 at this point. so its still early
- senstroll

Jays just don't have the roster to compete in their division. Early season run was a mirage

Do you think they ask each potential draftee if they're willing to take a discount relative to their peers? This is not making sense to me
- BestRapperAlive

Drafted players have entry level deals for 3 years, the second deal is a good way to judge the value of that player to the team.

trading the picks or the players you drafted too early is a very different thing.
- senstroll

which is going to be the interesting thing moving forward imo.

we can potentially see some hints over the summer as to hunter/dubas thinking based on which draft picks they dump.

mattineen and middleton are the first 2 up. Two giant stay at home dmen who become free agents if we don't sign them by next week.

the 2006 Draft 5 of the 7 picks played at least 300 NHL games which includes a Goalie. thats pretty amzing

the Burke years are pretty Lean actually. Outside of Kadri a big whiff on everyone else (Sparks tbd)

the Leafs bad drafting is pretty overstated.
- senstroll

Its not really.
Its widely accepted that they did have bad drafting.
But they are feeling much better now

Rielly?
- Atomic Wedgie

Top 5 picks imo is hard to give a ton of credit for.
But of course thats a good pick

ya... I don't get this either... it did seem pretty obvious that the plan was to groom Dubas and roll out LouLams - which obviously happened.

what I'm concerned about, is since the above would seem to be logically predictable... did Shanahan include a contingency for replacing Hunter when he promoted Dubas. Dubas' promotion seemed like a foregone conclusion... so therefore assuming Hunter wouldn't be happy would also be a foregone conclusion OR at least very likely.

I don't like that they aren't including Hunter in the 2018 draft handling.. that would have been a classy move in my opinion. If they don't have a replacement for Hunter announced fairly soon ... then its likely Shanahan thought he'd be able to keep Hunter.

we'll see.

I like the suggestion of trading all the picks now because Hunter's gone. That would send a great message to the rest of the scouting staff!
- BorjeFan4Ever

Honestly they already have all the data and scouts ideas on who to take. Hunter is unhappy and doesn't want to be there anymore. Why keep someone around just to sit at a table for optics?! This is why the clause was put in he can't actually take a job till post draft so the Leafs scouting and plans are intact.

It is also pretty fair to Hunter too to allow him to start trying to find some place to land, especially since there are now no GM spots with Fenton signing with Minnesota already. IF Lou fires Snow, then Hunter would be free to interview and look at taking that job.

which is going to be the interesting thing moving forward imo.

we can potentially see some hints over the summer as to hunter/dubas thinking based on which draft picks they dump.

mattineen and middleton are the first 2 up. Two giant stay at home dmen who become free agents if we don't sign them by next week.
- Tumbleweed

Middleton would be lucky to garner a Marlies deal

which is going to be the interesting thing moving forward imo.

we can potentially see some hints over the summer as to hunter/dubas thinking based on which draft picks they dump.

mattineen and middleton are the first 2 up. Two giant stay at home dmen who become free agents if we don't sign them by next week.
- Tumbleweed

If they ain't fast enough they aint getting signed, never seen either play but the brain trust seems to know.

which is going to be the interesting thing moving forward imo.

we can potentially see some hints over the summer as to hunter/dubas thinking based on which draft picks they dump.

mattineen and middleton are the first 2 up. Two giant stay at home dmen who become free agents if we don't sign them by next week.
- Tumbleweed

Think the question there is how are both developing and do they look like they are going to pan out as picks??

Its not really.
Its widely accepted that they did have bad drafting.
But they are feeling much better now

- Fakepartofme

??????????

Harry Stone on Night Court?

without any league wide context and knowing how many picks they had this is pretty meaningless info.

example 2007 . they had 6 picks. No 1sts or 2nds.
So getting a NHL dman who plays 550 NHL games with a 7th rounder is not bad overall.

Like I said..if you compare to the rest of the league and how much they also produce NHL talent from the picks they made...they are in the middle somewhere.

Vancouver is bad
- senstroll

Its meaningless, yes....like the almost all of the players they drafted during that time.
Vancouver is bad....but so was Toronto...just not as bad....they were bottom 10. Its widely accepted that they were.
But they did do well in 2002, now that I glance back....but many years of garbage.

Drafted players have entry level deals for 3 years, the second deal is a good way to judge the value of that player to the team.
- winsix

exactly, this becomes a factor 3 years after they are drafted, so how could it be a factor in making the draft selection?

Jays just don't have the roster to compete in their division. Early season run was a mirage
- BestRapperAlive

The have a few serious issues. 3 $20million a year players producing next to nothing.
(Tulo, Martin, Donaldson) a DH - that is pure sh!t, starting pitching that has been brutal. The cherry on top is the Osuna situation, where he may have played his last game as a Jay. He was probably their best player and they will lose him and get nothing in return. Mirage - no, giant manure truck backed up and dumped on the team - more like it.

Middleton would be lucky to garner a Marlies deal
- AdamFrench

I'd be happy to offer him a 1 year contract in my wednesday night ball hockey pickup game.

I agree.

In the end, it seems inevitable that no matter who was named GM, we were losing the other guy. Which sucks.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Exactly, if Lou stayed both Hunter and Dubas go; If Hunter was the GM, both Lou and Dubas go. Either way, we were losing two of the three.

Think the question there is how are both developing and do they look like they are going to pan out as picks??
- Roadrunner75

Like I said they already know if they have NHL speed or if they don't.
If they don't why sign them?

Think the question there is how are both developing and do they look like they are going to pan out as picks??
- Roadrunner75

i suspect they both get dumped because of lack of skill/speed

exactly, this becomes a factor 3 years after they are drafted, so how could it be a factor in making the draft selection?
- BestRapperAlive

I see your point, it is matter of circumstance and luck, as is the draft for most spots.