2018 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick

for Brendan Smith. Who didn't exactly light it up in his time on the Rangers.

Seems bad trades are attached to that pick
- david22

Smith played very well when they acquired him when paired with Skjei.

Then they never went back to that pairing to start the following season.

AV is a bad coach.

I can see the trade down get more prospects into the pool method being employed.

I think it also depends on what Dorion has to work with and what happens with some of the key things they have to deal with. Can he get Dutch signed to a contract extension done? What happens with EK? If he is going he needs to hit a home run there and that could include picks so that could change the plan on trading down. Boucher was given the nod by Dorion, but Boucher and Hoffman had issues, so is Hoffman being traded now something Dorion explores? Or is Boucher on such a short leash he might be gone?

Ottawa I think will bounce back, but there's going to be a lot of things happening that could affect what they do come the draft even. I'd expect a busy summer with some real moves happening as Dorion puts this team together.

The Sens lost this trade and it isn't even close.
- Feds91Stammer

Thanks. Good work.

I can see the trade down get more prospects into the pool method being employed.

I think it also depends on what Dorion has to work with and what happens with some of the key things they have to deal with. Can he get Dutch signed to a contract extension done? What happens with EK? If he is going he needs to hit a home run there and that could include picks so that could change the plan on trading down. Boucher was given the nod by Dorion, but Boucher and Hoffman had issues, so is Hoffman being traded now something Dorion explores? Or is Boucher on such a short leash he might be gone?

Ottawa I think will bounce back, but there's going to be a lot of things happening that could affect what they do come the draft even. I'd expect a busy summer with some real moves happening as Dorion puts this team together.
- Roadrunner75

What becomes concerning is if Duchene and Karlsson don't resign.

They'd get a lot back for both players, which is a silver lining, but the team in 2020 would be bad.

The sens could be a better team next year (how much is the question), but they'd take a nose dive after the deadline if both are gone.

hit a nerve, its just funny making posts look like this dumb.

A 20 year old prospect vs a 37 year old bottom 6 player who went on waivers "to wake him up"

Yeah Sens sure won that trade...so dumb
- DDM-Coga

OTT made some moves that were more geared towards winning in the short term, some good some meh, and some not so great. Regardless, had they scored one more goal against PIT, they would have had a great chance of winning the Cup because Rinne was so bad in the final. Sometimes moves pay off, sometimes they don't, but your obsession with the Sens board and always trolling in here about everything they do is super weird... Maybe there is more to your obsession than we know about, but wouldn't life be better if you hung out in the COL board and basked in the glory of finally getting to see some playoff games? I would think you should be more glass half-full than you sound on here...

What becomes concerning is if Duchene and Karlsson don't resign.

They'd get a lot back for both players, which is a silver lining, but the team in 2020 would be bad.

The sens could be a better team next year (how much is the question), but they'd take a nose dive after the deadline if both are gone.
- david22

you'll get a good haul for karlsson.

but much like the zib trade, you'll get less back for duchene that what you paid for him.

OTT made some moves that were more geared towards winning in the short term, some good some meh, and some not so great. Regardless, had they scored one more goal against PIT, they would have had a great chance of winning the Cup because Rinne was so bad in the final. Sometimes moves pay off, sometimes they don't, but your obsession with the Sens board and always trolling in here about everything they do is super weird.. Maybe there is more to your obsession that we know about, but wouldn't life be better if you hung out in the COL board and bask in the glory of finally getting to see some playoff games? I would think you should more glass half-full than you sounds on here...
- wilkobecks

This

"Super weird"

you'll get a good haul for karlsson.

but much like the zib trade, you'll get less back for duchene that what you paid for him.
- Tumbleweed

Dorion and Boucher love Dutch, he loves Ottawa too. Fact they are in talks to re-sign him already says a lot there. I suspect it is going to get done over the summer and he will stay put. Only thing that could screw it up might be Melnyk if he tries to go all Harrold Ballard skin flint and overrides his GM and Coach.

you'll get a good haul for karlsson.

but much like the zib trade, you'll get less back for duchene that what you paid for him.
- Tumbleweed

Unless they insist on including Ryan in a deal.

Dorion and Boucher love Dutch, he loves Ottawa too. Fact they are in talks to re-sign him already says a lot there. I suspect it is going to get done over the summer and he will stay put. Only thing that could screw it up might be Melnyk if he tries to go all Harrold Ballard skin flint and overrides his GM and Coach.
- Roadrunner75

if EK gets moved, i doubt stone and duchene stay sens for very long.

Unless they insist on including Ryan in a deal.
- david22

yup. melynky could really throw that return off.

I am not sure about going down in the draft. If my prediction holds true that Karlsson is traded, and we get a ton of draft picks and younger players (i.e. cheap) for him, why not keep the relatively high draft pick? Yes, the players from 4-9 all have potential, but surely picking 4th is better than 9th? I would even consider moving up in the draft if Dorion can get a deal done, but this maybe wishful thinking. As long as we get a player that can help the Sens return to respectability next season and avoid the embarrassment of giving Colorado a high 1st rounder next year, I am good with that.

I am not sure about going down in the draft. If my prediction holds true that Karlsson is traded, and we get a ton of draft picks and younger players (i.e. cheap) for him, why not keep the relatively high draft pick? Yes, the players from 4-9 all have potential, but surely picking 4th is better than 9th? I would even consider moving up in the draft if Dorion can get a deal done, but this maybe wishful thinking. As long as we get a player that can help the Sens return to respectability next season and avoid the embarrassment of giving Colorado a high 1st rounder next year, I am good with that.
- probstc

That is the kicker right there. Ottawa needs to look at depth, goaltending, and defence. They need an influx of prospects too.

IF EK is traded and you can get some decent players plus picks then you fill some of that depth and prospects. I'd say keep the pick there but really you also have to look at if 4th would be better than 9th. Is there a significant difference and fall off in this particular draft class you don't move the 4th? If there isn't dropping down and adding another pick or two for more prospects is not a bad thing either.

It really is going to be a lot of question marks until things start to shake out overall.

I am not sure about going down in the draft. If my prediction holds true that Karlsson is traded, and we get a ton of draft picks and younger players (i.e. cheap) for him, why not keep the relatively high draft pick? Yes, the players from 4-9 all have potential, but surely picking 4th is better than 9th? I would even consider moving up in the draft if Dorion can get a deal done, but this maybe wishful thinking. As long as we get a player that can help the Sens return to respectability next season and avoid the embarrassment of giving Colorado a high 1st rounder next year, I am good with that.
- probstc

what player is going to do that if karlsson can't?

I am not sure about going down in the draft. If my prediction holds true that Karlsson is traded, and we get a ton of draft picks and younger players (i.e. cheap) for him, why not keep the relatively high draft pick? Yes, the players from 4-9 all have potential, but surely picking 4th is better than 9th? I would even consider moving up in the draft if Dorion can get a deal done, but this maybe wishful thinking. As long as we get a player that can help the Sens return to respectability next season and avoid the embarrassment of giving Colorado a high 1st rounder next year, I am good with that.
- probstc

Wait till you are trading Karlsson for your own 1st rounder back

Avs beat writers have mentioned that you guys really want your pick back in the worst way. Sakic has you guys by the balls right now

OTT made some moves that were more geared towards winning in the short term, some good some meh, and some not so great. Regardless, had they scored one more goal against PIT, they would have had a great chance of winning the Cup because Rinne was so bad in the final. Sometimes moves pay off, sometimes they don't, but your obsession with the Sens board and always trolling in here about everything they do is super weird... Maybe there is more to your obsession than we know about, but wouldn't life be better if you hung out in the COL board and basked in the glory of finally getting to see some playoff games? I would think you should more glass half-full than you sound on here...
- wilkobecks

I havent been in here for weeks, so dont flatter yourself thinking that

Look at the all the recent Sens threads, go point out this "obsession of mine" this fan base is broken that you cant even take a little criticism without crying troll

Wait till you are trading Karlsson for your own 1st rounder back

Avs beat writers have mentioned that you guys really want your pick back in the worst way. Sakic has you guys by the balls right now
- DDM-Coga

2019 1st (ott), Bowers, Kamenev, Girard, 2nd and a 3rd for karlsson.


lol. that duchene trade was awful for the sens.

2019 1st (ott), Bowers, Kamenev, Girard, 2nd and a 3rd for karlsson.


lol. that duchene trade was awful for the sens.
- Tumbleweed

I disagree, yes we gave up a lot. But Duchene is the #1C we have needed since Spezza and Turris was never going to be that.

I disagree, yes we gave up a lot. But Duchene is the #1C we have needed since Spezza and Turris was never going to be that.
- Maverick1818

karlsson > duchene and you won't even get that much for karlsson in a trade

karlsson > duchene and you won't even get that much for karlsson in a trade
- Tumbleweed

Not sure what Karlsson has to do with the Duchene trade. he wasn't even involved lol

I am not sure about going down in the draft. If my prediction holds true that Karlsson is traded, and we get a ton of draft picks and younger players (i.e. cheap) for him, why not keep the relatively high draft pick? Yes, the players from 4-9 all have potential, but surely picking 4th is better than 9th? I would even consider moving up in the draft if Dorion can get a deal done, but this maybe wishful thinking. As long as we get a player that can help the Sens return to respectability next season and avoid the embarrassment of giving Colorado a high 1st rounder next year, I am good with that.
- probstc

Yes, picking 4th is better than 9th, but the point is that the drop-off in value in this specific draft may not be very much, plus an added first rounder could offset that loss, and then some

Not sure what Karlsson has to do with the Duchene trade. he wasn't even involved lol
- Maverick1818

Oh

I havent been in here for weeks, so dont flatter yourself thinking that

Look at the all the recent Sens threads, go point out this "obsession of mine" this fan base is broken that you cant even take a little criticism without crying troll
- DDM-Coga

Haha, you may want to take about 20% off there, since the troll doth protest too much, methinks. Nobody could give two tosses about whether you comment in here so don't worry about anyone "flattering themselves", but I was pointing out that you seem to spend an unhealthy amount of time spouting off in the board of a team that you clearly don't like, that there has to be more to it than that. How many times have you commented (not direct responses, just general negative comments) in this thread alone?

If it somehow makes you feel better about yourself to rip on everything OTT, then we are cool to be part of your healing, but to break things up you may want to also find a fan board of a TV show you hate, and spend some time in there telling everyone how everything sucks. I recommend Game Of Thrones or Big Bang Theory