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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
The Nucks got Jonathan Dahlen for Burrows. By the looks of it everyone thought it was Dahlin because many thought the Sens were insane to give him up. Dahlen was a big scorer in Sweden's Tier 2 league. Tier 2. As in, the second best league...in Sweden.
- AlfieFever

Playing in Sweden in 2017–18, Dahlén was a leading contributor on offense as Timrå earned a promotion to the SHL.

That was a terrible trade for OTT.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
The Nucks got Jonathan Dahlen for Burrows. By the looks of it everyone thought it was Dahlin because many thought the Sens were insane to give him up. Dahlen was a big scorer in Sweden's Tier 2 league. Tier 2. As in, the second best league...in Sweden.
- AlfieFever


Well he did put up a point per game in that league last year and came over to play 2 games in the AHL, putting up a goal and an assist. Hes 20 years old.

You are trying to diminish the value in a 20 year old prospect, who just came over to the AHL and instantly put up points....right a throw away

Its funny how delusional and in denial some of you Sens fans are
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

May 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
But Brassard is a by produce of trading Zibby. If the Sens would have stayed pat and didnt do what have have done twice and potentially a 3rd time in Karlsson, arguably they would be in a much better spot long term if they kept their own

Trade guys away to get an extra year or 2 of contract security bc they do not want to pay them their market value to resign and stay a Sen. Whatever Eugenes problem is...Alfie, Zibby, Turris, Karlsson, as soon as a guy doesnt want to take a pay cut he is out

- DDM-Coga

I think it was more that they felt Zibby had reached his peak in terms of points but Brassard was known as a solid 2 way forward and comes up big in the playoffs. Which is what Ottawa was looking for.

Alfie... that guy gave up on the team twice now, so as far as I am concerned.... Good riddance. As for the other players you listed. I agree E.M needs to get hit sh*t together or the fans will continue to turn on him.

david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
Well he did put up a point per game in that league last year and came over to play 2 games in the AHL, putting up a goal and an assist. Hes 20 years old.

You are trying to diminish the value in a 20 year old prospect, who just came over to the AHL and instantly put up points....right a throw away

Its funny how delusional and in denial some of you Sens fans are

- DDM-Coga


For two games. I admit the trade was terrible, and he is a good looking prospect.

But if Sens fans were using a sample size like that to tout a player that was still on the team, you'd be laughing at them.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

May 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
deletions occurring...
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 22 @ 11:37 AM ET
Well he did put up a point per game in that league last year and came over to play 2 games in the AHL, putting up a goal and an assist. Hes 20 years old.

You are trying to diminish the value in a 20 year old prospect, who just came over to the AHL and instantly put up points....right a throw away

Its funny how delusional and in denial some of you Sens fans are

- DDM-Coga

Also pretty sure he broke Filip Forsbergs record for points by a 19 year old in that tier 2 Swedish league.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 22 @ 11:37 AM ET
For two games. I admit the trade was terrible, and he is a good looking prospect.

But if Sens fans were using a sample size like that to tout a player that was still on the team, you'd be laughing at them.

- david22

I'm always laughing at sens fans.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:39 AM ET
Steve Yzerman and Ron Francis were #4 overall picks. I expect nothing less from the Sens selection.
- AlfieFever


A repeat of Tkachuck in Calgary, where he's a little later drafted, but turns into one of the better players in a draft with a highly touted first overall?
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:39 AM ET
Also pretty sure he broke Filip Forsbergs record for points by a 19 year old in that tier 2 Swedish league.
- Feds91Stammer


I heard that as well.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:42 AM ET
For two games. I admit the trade was terrible, and he is a good looking prospect.

But if Sens fans were using a sample size like that to tout a player that was still on the team, you'd be laughing at them.

- david22


I said he played 2 games, but he put up points instantly in those 2 games. Coming over to the AHL isnt easy so any line of production is encouraging, thats my point
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:43 AM ET
I think it was more that they felt Zibby had reached his peak in terms of points but Brassard was known as a solid 2 way forward and comes up big in the playoffs. Which is what Ottawa was looking for.

Alfie... that guy gave up on the team twice now, so as far as I am concerned.... Good riddance. As for the other players you listed. I agree E.M needs to get hit sh*t together or the fans will continue to turn on him.

- Maverick1818


What was it...a 23 year old in Zibby for a 29 year old in Brassard? Thats just not a good move no matter how you look at it.
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
Well he did put up a point per game in that league last year and came over to play 2 games in the AHL, putting up a goal and an assist. Hes 20 years old.

You are trying to diminish the value in a 20 year old prospect, who just came over to the AHL and instantly put up points....right a throw away

Its funny how delusional and in denial some of you Sens fans are

- DDM-Coga



Think I hit a nerve.

Don't tell me the Sens lost this trade. He put up two points in 2 games in the AHL.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:45 AM ET
What was it...a 23 year old in Zibby for a 29 year old in Brassard? Thats just not a good move no matter how you look at it.
- DDM-Coga


And a second round pick...
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:47 AM ET
Think I hit a nerve.

Don't tell me the Sens lost this trade. He put up two points in 2 games in the AHL.

- AlfieFever


hit a nerve, its just funny making posts look like this dumb.

A 20 year old prospect vs a 37 year old bottom 6 player who went on waivers "to wake him up"

Yeah Sens sure won that trade...so dumb
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:48 AM ET
And a second round pick...
- david22


Yeah the 33rd overall pick...that could be a bad one when you have to play the hindsight game
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:49 AM ET
hit a nerve, its just funny making posts look like this dumb.

A 20 year old prospect vs a 37 year old bottom 6 player who went on waivers "to wake him up"

Yeah Sens sure won that trade...so dumb

- DDM-Coga


Although, Burrows put up 2 goals in one game when he came to Ottawa.

So...
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 22 @ 11:49 AM ET
hit a nerve, its just funny making posts look like this dumb.

A 20 year old prospect vs a 37 year old bottom 6 player who went on waivers "to wake him up"

Yeah Sens sure won that trade...so dumb

- DDM-Coga


Right. Personal attacks make you more credible. Thanks. Move on.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

May 22 @ 11:50 AM ET
Well he did put up a point per game in that league last year and came over to play 2 games in the AHL, putting up a goal and an assist. Hes 20 years old.

You are trying to diminish the value in a 20 year old prospect, who just came over to the AHL and instantly put up points....right a throw away

Its funny how delusional and in denial some of you Sens fans are

- DDM-Coga

That was a dumb move by Ottawa. Burrows is who he is and is very over paid. and Dahlen is looking like he could be very good
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

May 22 @ 11:53 AM ET
Congrats and good luck Trevor!
- JaredCrozier


Thanks Jared!
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 11:55 AM ET
Although, Burrows put up 2 goals in one game when he came to Ottawa.

So...

- david22


Its just short sighted asset management.
a guy like Burrows is on borrowed time and you hope he helps out for a season or 2.

A forward 2nd round pick like Dahlin, is a high pick to invest in a guy, to give up on him early before hes 20..theres the potential of 5+ years of a guy like that impacting your franchise. The 44th overall is not a throw away asset
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 11:58 AM ET
Its just short sighted asset management.
a guy like Burrows is on borrowed time and you hope he helps out for a season or 2.

A forward 2nd round pick like Dahlin, is a high pick to invest in a guy, to give up on him early before hes 20..theres the potential of 5+ years of a guy like that impacting your franchise. The 44th overall is not a throw away asset

- DDM-Coga


I agree. It was a bad trade, made worse by the extension he was given.

My post above was just a joke about small sample sizes.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

May 22 @ 11:59 AM ET
Think I hit a nerve.

Don't tell me the Sens lost this trade. He put up two points in 2 games in the AHL.

- AlfieFever

The Sens lost this trade and it isn't even close.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 12:07 PM ET
I agree. It was a bad trade, made worse by the extension he was given.

My post above was just a joke about small sample sizes.

- david22


Redwings have that pick now, not sure how they got it. How dare you help out those trash Wings

The rivalry is not dead for this guy
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 22 @ 12:10 PM ET
Redwings have that pick now, not sure how they got it. How dare you help out those trash Wings

The rivalry is not dead for this guy

- DDM-Coga


2018 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick

for Brendan Smith. Who didn't exactly light it up in his time on the Rangers.

Seems bad trades are attached to that pick
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 22 @ 12:11 PM ET
2018 2nd round pick
2017 3rd round pick

for Brendan Smith. Who didn't exactly light it up in his time on the Rangers.

Seems bad trades are attached to that pick

- david22


Oh right, smith deadline trade then extended him. I think he will be fine once away from AV playing under Quinn
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