Or don't allow moronic GMs to make pre-draft trades that end up making Vegas stronger than they would have been. Florida contributed 2/3rds of VGK top line.Nobody wants to watch an expansion team lose 70+ games per year, so they were designed to be decent, but many factors combined for them to end up being great

Hey! Remember when everyone poopted on McPhee's expansion draft? Now this somehow has been gifted to Vegas?

When did Hockey fans become such female genitalias?
- glove_was_stuck

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals

I have no problems with Vegas going to the Cup. Not only did they get there but they were one of the best teams in the league from start to finish in doing so. These guys look like they've been playing together for ten years. Taking Winnipeg in five was no easy task, very impressive imo.

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

nvm

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

hmmm, anger. I had to watch Yzerman be a great GM and have Vegas take Jason Garrison from them. Blaming the NHL or Vegas on other GM's doing a poor job is not right. You had to watch Jean Francois Berube taken from your Islanders, I am not familiar with him, prime asset taken from your team?

nvm
- Streit2ThePoint

Because every piece of what I said is factual

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

You forgot GMs all panicked and gave away ridiculous asset packages just to protect one player from being taken. So instead of losing that one player they lost another player + a prospect, + a pick.

You also had GMS say hey take this contract of our hands and we will give you real good players and prospects and picks which is absolutely asinine for them to do.

The rules are fine (Maybe allow teams to protect one more payer each)
GMs for the Seattle Expansion will not do the above (Hopefully) and call their bluff.

hmmm, anger. I had to watch Yzerman be a great GM and have Vegas take Jason Garrison from them. Blaming the NHL or Vegas on other GM's doing a poor job is not right. You had to watch Jean Francois Berube taken from your Islanders, I am not familiar with him, prime asset taken from your team?
- Kucherovski

he was taken as part of the deal where we surrendered a first and second round pick so we could keep our top eight players. Maybe it wasn’t the right move as few moves that our GM makes ever are but it really forced teams hands when it really shouldn’t have

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

None of which were protected by their teams. With Fluery it was clear they were going forward with Murray as their starter.

So I'm not a "real hockey fan" because I'm not "absolutely nauseated" ?

Also no one. Not you, certainly not Anaheim's front office, Columbus' front office, not even Karlsson himself knew he was a 40+ goal scorer. This was not gifted. It could also be a fluke year for him.

Ya Think... Vegas got to Rape every team for players... I guess the Mob wanted to make sure they are successful. Lets see if Seattle gets the same breaks.. Not hating, they WON their way in.. The bolts/rapist SCF series will be blast.

It's funny how you put rapist in your statement, when your team name is the Predators, Instead of that pretty women you got under your name, you should put a picture of Bill Crosby then you will feel more comfortable calling other people rapist & he will match your team name...

Because every piece of what I said is factual
- BringNYIhome

I'll agree to a degree they had a better crop of players to choose from than previous drafts.

But you look at their drafted roster at the beginning of the season and not one person will sit there and say "Gee, that there team will be in the Stanley Cup Finals this year."

he was taken as part of the deal where we surrendered a first and second round pick so we could keep our top eight players. Maybe it wasn’t the right move as few moves that our GM makes ever are but it really forced teams hands when it really shouldn’t have
- BringNYIhome

Just pointing out Vegas did not just get a top player from everyone. They made deals with you guys just like they did Tampa. Garrison was in the minors almost all year. The best players in Vegas came from teams who still made the playoffs like Pittsburgh, Columbus, Minnesota. Vegas has a bunch of guys who were not really top 6 players but they all came together, bought into a system and won.

un-frank-ing believable!


I have waited my whole 48 year life for the Leafs to make it just to the finals & Lost Wages does it in 1 year.

he was taken as part of the deal where we surrendered a first and second round pick so we could keep our top eight players. Maybe it wasn’t the right move as few moves that our GM makes ever are but it really forced teams hands when it really shouldn’t have
- BringNYIhome

So what should an expansion team look like? Just curious. Comprised of 25 4th liners and guys who have the worst contracts in the NHL and suck for 10 years and be in cap hell because of it? Because as a business model, that is a very bad one.

Also maybe this will stop GMs from handing out Full NMC, NTC like candy and forcing their hand, though i doubt that.

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

Did the players whose houses you go to occasionally give you these tasty nuggets?

The old NHL expansion rules allowed existing teams to protect 15 players. These new insane rules allow teams to protect eight or nine players depending on what positions they chose to protect. Also for every NHL team to expose one top six forward and one top four defenseman along with a handful of top prospects and talented goalies. Vegas was given a 30 and 40 goal scorer. A former first overall pick and Stanley Cup winning goalie. A handful of tops 6 forwards and a deep talented young defensive group. This whole situation is absolutely nauseating to any real hockey fan Who 11 months ago had to watch a prime assess the stripped from their organization and now watch a new absolutely undeserving franchise in the Stanley Cup finals
- BringNYIhome

Pump the brakes a bit there, some of the things VGK have, they were definitely "given', but mainly by idiot GM's, and not the process.

Here is a preliminary guesstimated team put out based on who analysts thought that sane GM's would leave exposed etc:



That FLA chose to give up two players instead of one, (one being a 30 goal scorer), NSH exposing Neal etc, is all on the GMs of those teams. And their "40 goal scorer" was actually a 9 goal scorer, who turned into a great player, and the CBJ GM chose not to protect, instead keeping a backup goalie who played 18 games. Many morons made this run happen

I'll agree to a degree they had a better crop of players to choose from than previous drafts.

But you look at their drafted roster at the beginning of the season and not one person will sit there and say "Gee, that there team will be in the Stanley Cup Finals this year."
- Streit2ThePoint

No of course not. This does not look like a Stanley Cup team in October and it probably still doesn’t. I can’t take anything away from the players who absolutely play harder than anyone in this league, or the coach who is an absolute genius. It’s the process that I am livid about. My Islanders weren’t going to win anything this year regardless but I am a hockey fan first and as a fan of the sport there were franchises like Nashville Winnipeg and San Jose who have spent years building their teams to become a Stanley Cup contender playing by the rules that the league had in place and they were clearly bent, twisted and Manipulated so a new team could be good right away

Pump the brakes a bit there, some of the things VGK have, they were definitely "given', but mainly by idiot GM's, and not the process.

Here is a preliminary guesstimated team put out based on who analysts thought that sane GM's would leave exposed etc:



That FLA chose to give up two players instead of one, (one being a 30 goal scorer), NSH exposing Neal etc, is all on the GMs of those teams. And their "40 goal scorer" was actually a 9 goal scorer, who turned into a great player, and the CBJ GM chose not to protect, instead keeping a backup goalie who played 18 games. Many morons made this run happen
- wilkobecks

Where you’re wrong is in that teams chose to give up these players. They were faced with a difficult decision in many cases where it was one valuable asset retained over another

Where you’re wrong is in that teams chose to give up these players. They were faced with a difficult decision in many cases where it was one valuable asset retained over another
- BringNYIhome

You do realize that I'm sure Karlsson, Marchessault, Fluery and others were probably available for trade before Vegas took them. NYI could have traded for Fluery and his contract or made offers for Karlsson but probably no other team in the NHL was going to give up assets for those guys because they were thought of as 3rd line guys, with some 2nd line potential. Marchessault didn't stick in Columbus, Tampa let him walk in free agency where he signed a deal for $750,000 per year, hardly a cap breaker for Tampa but they did not feel his talents were right for their team. Vegas took him and he works in their system.

Where you’re wrong is in that teams chose to give up these players. They were faced with a difficult decision in many cases where it was one valuable asset retained over another
- BringNYIhome

Please explain how Dale Tallon did not choose to give up Reilly Smith and Jonathan Marchessault. Were the expansion draft rules different for the Panthers?

Where you’re wrong is in that teams chose to give up these players. They were faced with a difficult decision in many cases where it was one valuable asset retained over another
- BringNYIhome

These rules changes have to be approved by the Board of Governers, right? If that's the case they did it to themselves. Why bother getting upset? Save your rage for the next lockout when there is no Hockey to watch again.

i remember saying before the exp draft that LV can draft a pretty competitive team if they want. then they drafted and made deals to improve their team in the draft with more picks. i thought that they would be bottom 5 team. man was i wrong with the rest of the hockey world. i think the new nhl model has just been born. no more signing 30 yr old players to 7 or 8 yr deals at stupid cost unless they are a top 10 player in the league. and even then.....maybe not

Please explain how Dale Tallon did not choose to give up Reilly Smith and Jonathan Marchessault. Were the expansion draft rules different for the Panthers?
- eichiefs9

Because the new rules handcuffed teams and that they could not protect their entire roster. Vegas should have been compiled of Cal Clutterbucks, Zac Rinaldos, and Antti Niemis and not have a chance at the playoffs for another 7-8 years.

Please explain how Dale Tallon did not choose to give up Reilly Smith and Jonathan Marchessault. Were the expansion draft rules different for the Panthers?
- eichiefs9

indeed they were ...2 teams panthers and ducks picking exposed players

indeed they were ...2 teams panthers and ducks picking exposed players
- nyislsbossy

my bad thought you were talking about something else