I’m hindsight, maybe sitting your best shutdown D in favour of a guy who hasn’t played in 3 months for an elimination game, crippling your elite shutdown line by sitting Copp whilst playing an offensively relentless team, and continuing to try and play dump and chase hockey against a team that thrives on beating you to loose pucks all over the ice was not the best collection of coaching decisions on Maurice’s part...
- Rexypoo

Aside from some dumb giveaways, our bigger issue was that we could not score on Fleury. Keeping stone hands Copp in the lineup wasn't helping and playing #39 who generates zero offence wasn't helping either. You may have also noticed that we could not carry the puck in to their zone either. Vegas wanted it more than we did. Jets may have burned themselves out getting past Nashville.
Toby - thank you for your years of service, enjoy Sweden.
Marko - thank you for your games of service, enjoy the KHL.

Looking back, perhaps the smartest move made by McPhee/McCrimmon was not to take any of the players made available by the Jets.

Looking back, perhaps the smartest move made by McPhee/McCrimmon was not to take any of the players made available by the Jets.
- bennythehat

Absolutely! Talk about Enstrom making this huge decision to waive, that is the biggest joke of all time. They didn’t want him, he didn’t fit the mold that they were selecting. Get Enstrom and Rexy on the first flight out of town. You saw what beat us here, speed and goaltending and mistakes generated off of speed. Enstrom is the furthest thing away from a speedy player. Going forward, we need speedy players that can play up tempo. Speed did it to LA, SJ and Wpg.

JetsNation, what was your prediction about three months back? I believe you said that Wpg would lose to LV? Do u remember your prediction? I believe sadly that u were correct in your prediction!

Rexy. Your a pathetic loser and a troll. You don't come on here after the Jets demonstrate tremendous success knocking off Minny and then Nashville but finally show your face when then finally get defeated like some grim reaper.

As far as your comments. Enstrom was as we all expected, physically outmatched and outplayed for all the playoffs. His Corsi also demonstrates that fact. He also made a lot of defensive mistakes. Maurice's only mistake was not getting Morrow or Kulikov in sooner. They both played tremendously last night. I actually though Morrow, in particular, was our best defenseman out there last night. I'm sure others would concur.
- jetsnation

I love it when you get #madonline. I went away and rode the wave of happiness and success while it lasted, and game back to report on Maurice shooting himself in the foot when we easily should’ve moved on. That simple. Got a problem with it? I don’t care. You’re just the Hockeybuzz edition of that “old man yells at cloud” bit from The Simpsons.

Also,
Enstrom in games 3 and 4
3: 57.1 CF%, HDCF/CA 3-1
4: 56.5 CF%, HDCF/CA 3-1
But yeah, he was reaaaally the problem.

you only come here when they lose. misery loves company I guess
Delete your account
- DrunkenCanuck

Well, yes and no. I came here after the loss because it should have been a win, and the coaching staff is responsible.

Should have sat Perreault, guy produced nothing in these playoffs but anylitics, which correct me if I’m wrong, they don’t count on the scoreboard. Perreault has proven in his career to go awol in the playoffs and although a nice contributor during the season, this time of year, he is a bum. Thank you Perreault for your one playoff point in garbadge time of a blow out win. May I recommend wrist curls over the summer as I’ve seen harder shots and quicker releases in a timbits game.
- Ross77

He’s got 12 points in 34 playoff games, which isn’t bad considering he was stuck on Washington’s 4th line and played a shutdown role for Anaheim. Not exactly what I’d call AWOL, especially when he had the same number of goals as Little and Ehlers combined. He had 2 points in 3 games for us last time around, and this time he was stuck on a dead line with Little and a broken powerplay unit with everyone on the wrong side. All we can really ask for is the strong underlying numbers, as at least if he’s not scoring, the other team is having problems with him.

Looking back, perhaps the smartest move made by McPhee/McCrimmon was not to take any of the players made available by the Jets.
- bennythehat

What would they have taken? The only 2 players of value the Jets left available were Enstrom and Dano, and they made a deal to ensure both stayed. Nobody left available after that was worth having.

What would they have taken? The only 2 players of value the Jets left available were Enstrom and Dano, and they made a deal to ensure both stayed. Nobody left available after that was worth having.
- Rexypoo

For one small moment of reality, can you perhaps fathom that if Vegas had really wanted either of those 2, that they would have swapped draft picks with Chevy.
Chevy really did not pay a high price to keep Enstrom and Dano.

For one small moment of reality, can you perhaps fathom that if Vegas had really wanted either of those 2, that they would have swapped draft picks with Chevy.
Chevy really did not pay a high price to keep Enstrom and Dano.
- bennythehat

didn't you guys give them a 1st?

For one small moment of reality, can you perhaps fathom that if Vegas had really wanted either of those 2, that they would have swapped draft picks with Chevy.
Chevy really did not pay a high price to keep Enstrom and Dano.
- bennythehat

Dropped in the draft, and gave up another 3rd. There are a lot of reasons why a team would want those two, but I genuinely believe Erat for Forsberg McPhee thought he was just tugging Chevy’s chain.

Dropped in the draft, and gave up another 3rd. There are a lot of reasons why a team would want those two, but I genuinely believe Erat for Forsberg McPhee thought he was just tugging Chevy’s chain.
- Rexypoo

We will see if anyone wants them next season....

I love it when you get #madonline. I went away and rode the wave of happiness and success while it lasted, and game back to report on Maurice shooting himself in the foot when we easily should’ve moved on. That simple. Got a problem with it? I don’t care. You’re just the Hockeybuzz edition of that “old man yells at cloud” bit from The Simpsons.

Also,
Enstrom in games 3 and 4
3: 57.1 CF%, HDCF/CA 3-1
4: 56.5 CF%, HDCF/CA 3-1
But yeah, he was reaaaally the problem.
- Rexypoo

Wrong-way Rexy, you are the king of cherry picking stats to suit your needs just like you do with Dano or Petan or whomever else that you are constantly wrong about. In this case its Enstrom and cherry picking results from games where Wpg had a high team Corsi. Bottom line though is how Enstrom performed overall through the playoffs. He averaged around 43% in all statistical categories such as CF% , SCF, HDCF, FF% , etc. The team average in all those was approximately 53% . Toby was near dead last on the team. More telling was how other played when Toby was on the ice. It was horrific . Here is the results. Players played way-way better when Toby was not on the ice. No debating it whatsoever. In particular, note how much better Buff is WITHOUT Enstrom.


https://www.naturalstattr...te=n&v=t&playerid=8470828

Toby will not be back...count on it.


...and just for comparison puposes here is the same for Tyler Myers. Seems all the Jets excel when he is on the ice. His only drawback was Chariot or his numbers would have been unreal.

https://www.naturalstattr...te=n&v=t&playerid=8474574

Speaking of Myers, I thought his overall playoff performance was pretty good that brought an offensive side of the game. He made it through 16 playoff games without injury and 82 regular games so he answered the durability and performance questions. I don't have the "advanced stats" but from the eye, he answered a lot of questions.

JetsNation, what was your prediction about three months back? I believe you said that Wpg would lose to LV? Do u remember your prediction? I believe sadly that u were correct in your prediction!
- CharlieDog

I'd much rather have been wrong.

He’s got 12 points in 34 playoff games, which isn’t bad considering he was stuck on Washington’s 4th line and played a shutdown role for Anaheim. Not exactly what I’d call AWOL, especially when he had the same number of goals as Little and Ehlers combined. He had 2 points in 3 games for us last time around, and this time he was stuck on a dead line with Little and a broken powerplay unit with everyone on the wrong side. All we can really ask for is the strong underlying numbers, as at least if he’s not scoring, the other team is having problems with him.
- Rexypoo

“All we can ask for is strong underlying numbers” seriously? Common!! He had one more point in these playoffs than Charlie Huddy!!!! Matty P went awol and because you like him you’ll blame it on everyone but him!!! Reality is Maurice coached this team to a record season and conference finals. And you can’t even say congrats, that’s weak and you know it.

didn't you guys give them a 1st?
- Tumbleweed

No, we swapped first round picks and dropped down about ten spots

“All we can ask for is strong underlying numbers” seriously? Common!! He had one more point in these playoffs than Charlie Huddy!!!! Matty P went awol and because you like him you’ll blame it on everyone but him!!! Reality is Maurice coached this team to a record season and conference finals. And you can’t even say congrats, that’s weak and you know it.
- Ross77

I’m incredibly proud of this team for shattering expectations and going as far as they did. The players deserve a ton of credit, as does Chevy.

I’m mad because I know we easily would’ve won the cup with a coach that isn’t Paul Maurice. We had the same issues in the playoffs that we had during the regular season. The 0 pressure PK, the broken #2 PP unit, and the inability to adapt to speedy teams.

No, we swapped first round picks and dropped down about ten spots
- Ross77

We picked up Vesalainen at #24 and I think the Jets were surprised that he was still available at 24.

I'd much rather have been wrong.
- jetsnation

Ya, sorry for bringing it up. Their bubble will burst at some point, might not happen till next year but it will burst.

The difference was incremental and Fleury was the increment. But, he can't and will not sustain this level of play long term. Maybe for the rest of this year he can sustain the level of play but the bubble will pop.

We picked up Vesalainen at #24 and I think the Jets were surprised that he was still available at 24.
- CharlieDog

He’s been tearing it up overseas. I think he spends a year with the Moose to get used to the smaller ice, then makes the jump.

I’m hindsight, maybe sitting your best shutdown D in favour of a guy who hasn’t played in 3 months for an elimination game, crippling your elite shutdown line by sitting Copp whilst playing an offensively relentless team, and continuing to try and play dump and chase hockey against a team that thrives on beating you to loose pucks all over the ice was not the best collection of coaching decisions on Maurice’s part...
- Rexypoo

hindsight, and predictable. Your reply is a troll entry 8 months in the making.

It is predictable because the regulars on this board are used to seeing narcissistic ideations of your thoughts of evaluating hockey and what is important to build a winner. I trust you have a good stew session all summer and find some new material for the fall. Maurice will be back, some doubt about Enstrom's future with Jets, Kulikov will be back. Analytics will continue to advance and coaches will continue to find ways to use analytics and also will find ways to confound analytics.
Jets will be a good team again.

The rest of us are celebrating a great season and playoff run in a very tough league.

I think Vegas is the best team in hockey and Gallant has proven himself to be an excellent coach and the right fit for them this year.

We knew they would be getting a team full of second line players with upside. In the 30 players they picked they found some 1st line players such as Marchessault, Karlson, Schmidt, Fleury and some 1b players such as Neal, McNabb, Tuch. The team is full of legitimate #4-9 forwards (in addition to some of the stars singled out).

They are so fast all over the ice that even the best chances we had were made under pressure. almost no break-aways or odd-man rushes were surrendered (or earned by Jets), Fleury's best saves were on plays where we were making something happen while pressured or flailing at bouncing pucks. Scheifle didn't have time to really pick a spot on the big saves in game 3, Laine's chance on PP in game 4 where he rushed a loose puck in front of Fleury while Fleury dove forward at it was pressured - if he had time he would have made a lateral move.

Vegas is good and has the makings of a dynasty.

It's interesting that three of the four conference final teams have a top three goal scorer and TB has Kucherov (9th). Good teams have a guy that can put the puck in the net.

Laine was a better player this year than he was last year, less gaffs, more awareness overall. His game is still all about that shot.

I am hoping to see improved foot speed next season and continuing improved puck management. On the PP it seemed like there was reluctance to let him manage the puck and the only time it moved to his side was when it was intended for a shot.

I am really hoping that concerns about his professional commitment to improve are mis-placed and that he finds the right trainer/training partner.