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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 18 @ 2:45 PM ET
I'd agree with that description of Sandin. His hands are like a forward's for a d-man, he's a natural puck mover, real heady, creative, pretty stocky for a sub 6 foot kid. He's competitive and can handle himself in his own end too. Just his overall skating -- speed, burst, edge work -- is kind of flat and average. It needs to improve. I think he could be a really good 2nd pair/PP guy for some team in the back half of the 1st as well. I would prefer a forward with the way the draft is breaking, but he'd be one of my first d-man choices at 19. Do wonder if you could trade down for him though. I think a lot of the d-men in that range could be traded down for. Jonny Tychonick is another one who impressed me a ton at the u18s, who I'd group with Sandin.

I said it the other day, but as much as I think Hayton is a conscientious center who cares about his off puck play (although he's no Bergeron, like I've heard ridiculously said), I'm not particularly impressed by his play with the puck. He has slick hands and a good shot, but he doesn't play on the puck that much, and when he does, I think he plays slow and doesn't really think ahead with it or as a passer. I think the talk about his hockey IQ is a bit overblown. I would not be enthused if he was the pick at 14 tbh. A kid like Robert Thomas went at 20 last year with similar stats and a similar profile, and I think people want Hayton to be Thomas this year -- who clearly had a huge D+1 year. But I don't think he's anywhere near as good or has the upside Thomas did last year. I had Thomas just outside my top 10 for perspective and was a massive fan.

- Mononoke


Plus, Hayton has never appeared on a Carlos Santana album.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 18 @ 2:48 PM ET
Hey Hextall needs some new coaches here are a few!

https://www.theglobeandma...and-lacroix-add-ducharme/

- dragonoffrost


No need to go that far, there are a bunch of qualified folks right here at HB.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 2:49 PM ET
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 18 @ 2:51 PM ET
Plus, Hayton has never appeared on a Carlos Santana album.
- jmatchett383


Three times in my head - who the frank is Robert Thomas?...oh, wait, Rob...
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

May 18 @ 2:51 PM ET
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- YuenglingJagr

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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 2:52 PM ET
I dont think the timing is right to trade Weal. Wait until after July 1st at least to see who youre replacing him with.

At the moment this is your depth chart. So see where upgrades can be made and then sell off extras.

Giroux Couturier Voracek
Lindblom Patrick Voracek
Weal Laughton Simmonds
Raffl Lehtera Weise
Leier

Provorov Macdonald
Ghost Hagg
Saneheim Gudas
Morin Myers

Elliott
Neuvirth
Lyon

- Baxter27

Love this top 6

All kidding aside, I’d be fine with him and Konecny being pretty interchangeable
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 2:53 PM ET
Three times in my head - who the frank is Robert Thomas?...oh, wait, Rob...
- Scoob


Scoob, you're not crazy. You're just a little unwell. I know right now you can't tell.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 2:54 PM ET
Love this top 6
- YuenglingJagr


Has this place been Team Trade Voracek?

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 2:55 PM ET
Scoob, you're not crazy. You're just a little unwell. I know right now you can't tell.
- Mononoke

I wanna draft you first round. Well, I will! Well, I will!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 2:56 PM ET
Has this place been Team Trade Voracek?


- Mononoke

Trade Morin. He is afraid to show everyone he is a bust so he keeps injuring himself
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

May 18 @ 2:58 PM ET
Has this place been Team Trade Voracek?


- Mononoke


Some have been.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 2:59 PM ET
I wanna draft you first round. Well, I will! Well, I will!
- YuenglingJagr


He says baby, "It's 3 pm I must be lonely." When he says, "Baby, well I can't help but be scared of it all sometimes. And Hextall's gonna wash away Filppula and Manning, I believe."
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 18 @ 2:59 PM ET
Can the Flyers get anything in a trade for Filppula's free agent rights based on the points that Weal scored on a line with him at the end of 16-17? Other teams would just need to ignore the entire past season of hockey and that, in the words of Jay Greenberg, Filppula "can't play anymore".
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 3:00 PM ET
Scoob, you're not crazy. You're just a little unwell. I know right now you can't tell.
- Mononoke


dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 3:00 PM ET
He says baby, "It's 3 pm I must be lonely." When he says, "Baby, well I can't help but be scared of it all sometimes. And Hextall's gonna wash away Filppula and Manning, I believe."
- Mononoke



one of my exes was a huge MB20/Rob Thomas fan. Now it's stuck in my head!
VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

May 18 @ 3:01 PM ET
Can the Flyers get anything in a trade for Filppula's free agent rights based on the points that Weal scored on a line with him at the end of 16-17? Other teams would just need to ignore the entire past season of hockey and that, in the words of Jay Greenberg, Filppula "can't play anymore".
- Feanor

VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

May 18 @ 3:03 PM ET


one of my exes was a huge MB20/Rob Thomas fan. Now it's stuck in my head!

- dragonoffrost


So is my wife. Love's them, the Goo Goo Dolls and Jimmy Eat World. Pretty much most 90ies bands.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 3:03 PM ET


one of my exes was a huge MB20/Rob Thomas fan. Now it's stuck in my head!

- dragonoffrost


If you're gone, maybe it's time to come home to hockeybuzz. There's an awful lot of bad opinions, but I can hardly move.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 3:03 PM ET
So is my wife. Love's them, the Goo Goo Dolls and Jimmy Eat World. Pretty much most 90ies bands.
- VladDrag

Bro...come on...Jimmy Eat World is still kickin and they are awesome
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

May 18 @ 3:04 PM ET
Danila Zhuravlyov, Jan Jenik, Spencer Statsney are a few of my low-key, way above consensus favorites and are in my top 30 and 40 (Stastney) respectively. I think Stastney is a mid-rounder probably on draft day, but he's the most unheralded player on that USA team. Ridiculous skater, high IQ, calm puck mover, maybe sneaky offensive upside. I think he got buried behind worse d-men (team always looked better with him getting good minutes) and could emerge on Notre Dame. Also, I think Zhuravlyov and Jenik have really intriguing upside. I think they shouldn't go later than the 2nd.....but who knows? I think Zhuravlyov is as good as names being bandied about as 1st round d-men. If the Flyers draft 2 forwards at 14/19, I want him badly at 50. I really see something there. Jenik is the youngest player in the draft, and a very high IQ puck controlling center with a good below the dots game. I think he's got a good floor but also untapped potential.

Lundkvist, Nordgren, Ylonen, Wise, Foudy, O'Brien, Morozov, Regula, Steeves are some other low-key interesting names in the 2nd-3rd+ perhaps, besides the usuals.

- Mononoke


What's your take on Philipp Kurashev and Jachym Kondelik?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 3:04 PM ET
If you're gone, maybe it's time to come home to hockeybuzz. There's an awful lot of bad opinions, but I can hardly move.
- Mononoke

never realized how sexual that lyric is...Rob Thomas snuck it in there...he's just so smooth
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 18 @ 3:10 PM ET
He says baby, "It's 3 pm I must be lonely." When he says, "Baby, well I can't help but be scared of it all sometimes. And Hextall's gonna wash away Filppula and Manning, I believe."
- Mononoke

Straight up, what if you had signed a bridge deal?
If you had signed short term, this would all fall apart.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 3:10 PM ET
What's your take on Philipp Kurashev and Jachym Kondelik?
- ajw12


I haven't seen Kurashev that much, but he didn't really make me pay attention either. Kondelik -- I guess because he's 6'7 lol? -- didn't make me pay much attention either. I watched Muskegon but more to watch Matej Pekar. I don't really have much of an opinion on either one tbh, or they just didn't catch my eye enough to make me care. Maybe before the draft I will watch a little more of each to see if I just am missing something. It happens; can only focus on so many. I highly doubt either is better than a mid rounder though. Certainly neither is on my radar as some steal, like some names I listed.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 3:13 PM ET
never realized how sexual that lyric is...Rob Thomas snuck it in there...he's just so smooth
- YuenglingJagr

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 18 @ 3:13 PM ET
Gudas, #19, rubstov

For

Faulk, 2018 4th rounder

Provorov Faulk
Ghost Myers
Hagg amac
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