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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
"Look, Dale...we're going to waive you. If you pass through waivers, just refuse to report, and we'll work out a mutual termination with you. Say...for $2 million a year for the next 2 years."
- jmatchett383



That would actually be my underlining hope.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
Could trading Jordan Weal fetch us a late 2nd or early/mid 3rd for this draft?
- arichardson22


Highly doubt it after his output last season
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 18 @ 12:22 PM ET
Tim Panaccio
‏@tpanotchUFA
1 m 0 s ago
Breaking: Flyers have traded forward Jordan Weal to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for a 3rd round draft pick in the 2018 NHL entry draft.

- jmatchett383


Thoughts and prayers for MB's car
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 18 @ 12:38 PM ET
I would trade Weise for a steaming pile of monkey crap

litrilly
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

May 18 @ 12:43 PM ET
I would not hesitate at any time if offered a 2nd or a 3rd round pick for Weal.
- MJL


Its good value for sure and I wouldnt hesitate on a 2nd either but I want Hextall more focused on the quality of the NHL roster than mid round draft picks. The time has come. Its still important to draft well in those rounds but I want to see a shift in priorities going forward.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 18 @ 12:52 PM ET
Could trading Jordan Weal fetch us a late 2nd or early/mid 3rd for this draft?
- arichardson22


I wouldn't imagine that he'd get a 2nd, but a 3rd is possible and I'd do it in a flash.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 18 @ 1:23 PM ET
I would trade Weise for a steaming pile of monkey crap

litrilly

- BiggE


I'd hold out for a travel pack of tissues and some pocket lint.

in other words, what I just pulled out of my pocket.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 18 @ 1:27 PM ET
I wouldn't imagine that he'd get a 2nd, but a 3rd is possible and I'd do it in a flash.
- Scoob


I wouldn't. That would just mean more minutes for Lehtera and Weise. Two old guys who couldn't score in a brothel.

Weal actually produced at a good rate when he wasn't stuck on a line with Filppula.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 1:28 PM ET
I would trade Weise for a steaming pile of monkey crap

litrilly

- BiggE


What about left over crap flung at a Tim Horton's?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 18 @ 1:43 PM ET
I wouldn't. That would just mean more minutes for Lehtera and Weise. Two old guys who couldn't score in a brothel.

Weal actually produced at a good rate when he wasn't stuck on a line with Filppula.

- Feanor


Most of Weal's production in 2016-17 came on a line with Filppula and Simmonds.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 1:45 PM ET
Hey Hextall needs some new coaches here are a few!

https://www.theglobeandma...and-lacroix-add-ducharme/
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 18 @ 1:51 PM ET
I would trade Weise for a steaming pile of monkey crap

litrilly

- BiggE


wouldnt even need to be steaming.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

May 18 @ 1:55 PM ET
trade #19 for 7 3rd round picks.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

May 18 @ 2:03 PM ET
I like the move.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 18 @ 2:08 PM ET
trade #19 for 7 3rd round picks.
- wilsonecho91


Only if we draft 7 of Mono’s boys with those picks
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 18 @ 2:09 PM ET
Hey Hextall needs some new coaches here are a few!

https://www.theglobeandma...and-lacroix-add-ducharme/

- dragonoffrost


Well we'd need to hire Dan Kordic and Scott Daniels as well.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 18 @ 2:10 PM ET
trade #19 for 7 3rd round picks.
- wilsonecho91


WHAT A STEAL!!!

http://statsportsconsulti...uckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 18 @ 2:18 PM ET
Thoughts and prayers for MB's car
- johndewar


Im sure he has a better ride than I can provide in my Honda.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 2:19 PM ET
I'd agree with that description of Sandin. His hands are like a forward's for a d-man, he's a natural puck mover, real heady, creative, pretty stocky for a sub 6 foot kid. He's competitive and can handle himself in his own end too. Just his overall skating -- speed, burst, edge work -- is kind of flat and average. It needs to improve. I think he could be a really good 2nd pair/PP guy for some team in the back half of the 1st as well. I would prefer a forward with the way the draft is breaking, but he'd be one of my first d-man choices at 19. Do wonder if you could trade down for him though. I think a lot of the d-men in that range could be traded down for. Jonny Tychonick is another one who impressed me a ton at the u18s, who I'd group with Sandin.

I said it the other day, but as much as I think Hayton is a conscientious center who cares about his off puck play (although he's no Bergeron, like I've heard ridiculously said), I'm not particularly impressed by his play with the puck. He has slick hands and a good shot, but he doesn't play on the puck that much, and when he does, I think he plays slow and doesn't really think ahead with it or as a passer. I think the talk about his hockey IQ is a bit overblown. I would not be enthused if he was the pick at 14 tbh. A kid like Robert Thomas went at 20 last year with similar stats and a similar profile, and I think people want Hayton to be Thomas this year -- who clearly had a huge D+1 year. But I don't think he's anywhere near as good or has the upside Thomas did last year. I had Thomas just outside my top 10 for perspective and was a massive fan.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 18 @ 2:19 PM ET
Most of Weal's production in 2016-17 came on a line with Filppula and Simmonds.
- bmeltzer



dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
Well we'd need to hire Dan Kordic and Scott Daniels as well.
- jmatchett383


Nah don't need the Dan Coaching staff
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
Most of Weal's production in 2016-17 came on a line with Filppula and Simmonds.
- bmeltzer


Filppula regressed at lot in 17-18, which was obviously the season I was referring to. You could say that there was clear decline in his ability to handle top-end matchups, at least when cast as a shutdown center or as a second line pivot.

If one were to take a more statistical approach, they could say that Filppula was was dead last in shot attempts relative to his teammates among the 129 NHL forwards to play 1,000 minutes at 5 on 5. And that he was also dead last in expected Goals For%.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 18 @ 2:37 PM ET
I would not hesitate at any time if offered a 2nd or a 3rd round pick for Weal.
- MJL


What kind of turn for the Faulk rumor? K turn or another Ubee?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 18 @ 2:41 PM ET
Nah don't need the Dan Coaching staff
- dragonoffrost


We don't want to be soft.

Sandy McCarthy for PP coach.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 18 @ 2:45 PM ET
Only if we draft 7 of Mono’s boys with those picks
- Nucker101


Danila Zhuravlyov, Jan Jenik, Spencer Statsney are a few of my low-key, way above consensus favorites and are in my top 30 and 40 (Stastney) respectively. I think Stastney is a mid-rounder probably on draft day, but he's the most unheralded player on that USA team. Ridiculous skater, high IQ, calm puck mover, maybe sneaky offensive upside. I think he got buried behind worse d-men (team always looked better with him getting good minutes) and could emerge on Notre Dame. Also, I think Zhuravlyov and Jenik have really intriguing upside. I think they shouldn't go later than the 2nd.....but who knows? I think Zhuravlyov is as good as names being bandied about as 1st round d-men. If the Flyers draft 2 forwards at 14/19, I want him badly at 50. I really see something there. Jenik is the youngest player in the draft, and a very high IQ puck controlling center with a good below the dots game. I think he's got a good floor but also untapped potential.

Lundkvist, Nordgren, Ylonen, Wise, Foudy, O'Brien, Morozov, Regula, Steeves are some other low-key interesting names in the 2nd-3rd+ perhaps, besides the usuals.
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