We got McCabe
- dadeadhead

I'd rather have byron and 2 seconds than mccabe and fasching

Okposo is a pretty decent player. Nolan had what, 4 points this year?

Eichel definitely made Girgensons less sucky, but girgs weighed Eichel down - you can check their respective dobber charts for that info.

Eichel is also playing 14 mins a night with Girgs (which is absurd, of course).

I'm just saying, don't write the kid off. He spent his entire year next to guys who have just washed out off the NHL. He had to pass Reinhart, Okposo and Pominville, which Housley was obviously not going to allow.
- jcragcrumple

Eichel makes everyone less sucky. Even though putting literal poop on his wings makes him worse. The kid needs a sniper to truly be elite. (In the scoring race)

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart moved, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart move, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.
- Sabresfan-365

All 3 or 1 or 2 of them? Because the argument based on that stipulation can wildly change.

All 3 or 1 or 2 of them? Because the argument based on that stipulation can wildly change.
- TheSabresTaco

All 3

Where you been?
- TheSabresTaco

If I want to wade through miles of bullsh!t I can do that in real life I don't have to come here for it.

you keep saying that as if everyone's strictly opposed to change...there's been plenty of change including a tanked for core pieces...the team is made up of players from three regimes over four years and those that have been here have had four different coaches...

last year 10 new players or so started the season and the Amerks was nearly completely revamped...

change is good but proper change is even better, as you've alluded to on numerous occasions in regards to murray
- Michael Pachla

I don't think we are allowed to use the new faces, coach, and GM argument anymore.

I used to use it almost daily but then Vegas started playing the way they are.

I think change is good as long as its done well. If vegas has shown us anything its that even a lack of top end talent can be compensated for with effort and team composition. Two things we lack here if buffalo

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart moved, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.
- Sabresfan-365

under that case

try to shed salary
bogo, okposo, beaulieu

maybe pommer


no long term deals


bring the kids up to fill the wing slots

move on from girgens or larsson
move on from lehner


maybe grab 1 or 2 vets up front on a 1 year deal


and sign a bernier type guy to platoon with ullmark

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart moved, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.
- Sabresfan-365

I’m with you guys .. but I want a new core of Casey, jack , Dahlin

under that case

try to shed salary
bogo, okposo, beaulieu

maybe pommer


no long term deals


bring the kids up to fill the wing slots

move on from girgens or larsson
move on from lehner


maybe grab 1 or 2 vets up front on a 1 year deal


and sign a bernier type guy to platoon with ullmark
- homiedclown

viva la 8th pick?

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart move, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.
- Sabresfan-365

Get Bogo out of here, McCabe for Andreas Athanasiou, sign a Desharnais-or-equal, Nylander or Bailey and the sharks second for Mike Hoffman

Hoffman-Eichel-Okposo
AA-Ror-Reinhart
Wilson-Mitts-Baptiste
bailey-desharnais-pommer

Girgs

Dahlin-Risto
Scandella-Nelson
Guhle-Fedun

Beaulieu

Ullmark
Bernier

Edit, forgot erod. Slot him in for wilson

If I want to wade through miles of bullsh!t I can do that in real life I don't have to come here for it.
- Der Kaiser

But we give internet hugs

viva la 8th pick?
- Sabresfan-365

I don't want to handcuff this team long term with more bogo deals right now


carlson is the only guy I would consider paying big time for this offseason

For those that don't want ROR, Risto or Reinhart moved, im genuinely curious to know what your ideal off season looks like.

I just have one condition, the answers can't be "sign tavares and or carlson" because please, that's not happening.
- Sabresfan-365

I think the problem you're running into is that people don't know the market nor do they know who's available...All three are considered top-half players yet the way they're all bagged on here makes them out as bottom-half players...and like somebody said expectations are low on the return...

at the end of the day, if any are traded for an upgrade at the position, I don't think most will mind

Get Bogo out of here, McCabe for Andreas Athanasiou, sign a Desharnais-or-equal, Nylander or Bailey and the sharks second for Mike Hoffman

Hoffman-Eichel-Okposo
AA-Ror-Reinhart
Wilson-Mitts-Baptiste
bailey-desharnais-pommer

Girgs

Dahlin-Risto
Scandella-Nelson
Guhle-Fedun

Beaulieu

Ullmark
Bernier
- jcragcrumple

Im pretty sure Hoffman will be moved this summer, will be interesting to see how close or off this return is.

Desharnais Signed overseas , jCrag

All 3
- Sabresfan-365

Significant change can't come to this team without either trading at least 1 of the 3, or a bunch of future 1sts.

I would never say Risto is untouchable.. but I can't see how he can't be a part of the solution. Nice salary hit for what he brings.. 2nd pairing quality, could get better with better line mate and personal development, solid offense. I trade ROR before Reinhart before Risto. But of course, there can always be that deal that comes across that makes you better short and long term or really, really better long term that allows me to say, go ahead and trade Risto then. But he's last of the 3, for me.

I'd rather have byron and 2 seconds than mccabe and fasching
- homiedclown

the nhl was way different in 2012 and Byron was considered too small to have an impact...

times have changed but it doesn't change that fact

Desharnais Signed overseas , jCrag
- gerbe75pts

I forgot erod. He can play there or swap with wilson

If I want to wade through miles of bullsh!t I can do that in real life I don't have to come here for it.
- Der Kaiser

It's like a Ryan O'Reilly interview

I think the problem you're running into is that people don't know the market nor do they know who's available...All three are considered top-half players yet the way they're all bagged on here makes them out as bottom-half players...and like somebody said expectations are low on the return...

at the end of the day, if any are traded for an upgrade at the position, I don't think most will mind
- Michael Pachla

Yea, that's true of any player on any team, it's kind of a lazy answer/explanation. They're viewed as core players by some, not by me. The return doesn't have to directly bring back a better player, just good value.

you keep saying that as if everyone's strictly opposed to change...there's been plenty of change including a tanked for core pieces...the team is made up of players from three regimes over four years and those that have been here have had four different coaches...

last year 10 new players or so started the season and the Amerks was nearly completely revamped...

change is good but proper change is even better, as you've alluded to on numerous occasions in regards to murray
- Michael Pachla

IMO, finding a suitor for Bogosian isn't change. Finding a 4th line center to replace Larsson isn't change.

Creating an identity for this team IS change. Molding this team to play a style that the GM and coach wants IS change. And that means moving out NHL players that play big minutes, but don't play that style.

Do people see how these current playoff teams play? Nothing close to the way the Sabres have attempted to play for years

the nhl was way different in 2012 and Byron was considered too small to have an impact...

times have changed but it doesn't change that fact
- Michael Pachla

it's 2018

and kyle okposo puts up 20 more points than derek grant in an nhl season

It's like a Ryan O'Reilly interview
- TheSabresTaco

Zing

viva la 8th pick?
- Sabresfan-365

we're 2/3. Go for it.