How are you so sure about his ceiling, but Nylander has a near-infinite ceiling? How would Nylander have done with Larsson and Nolan this year?
- jcragcrumple

Logic:

Does small mindedness also apply to thinking the only reason for the bad season was the stealth tank?
I would say that the results we saw this season was a direct result of a first year GM and a first year coach seeing exactly what they have in house before they start shipping off players.

Botts clearly stated that Rochester being competitive was important, so keeping the kids in the minors makes a lot of sense.
I would be curious what we could have done to drastically improve the team in your view.
This team tried and failed miserably, similar I think to Ottawa's season.
- Sabres1523

We have gone thru this before:

Jbotts signed ahl players and used them in the nhl
He traded for scott wilson
He claimed Jordan nolan

If he was trying to win, more moves would have been made.

Ottawa was in the Ecf last year, they tried, then failed.

If you think we didnt want the 1st pick for some reason, you are not paying attention.

Who doesn't want dahlin?
You really think jbotts and tpegs wanted to pick 8th again.

Brilliant

You must hate jbotts for his mess then?

How are you so sure about his ceiling, but Nylander has a near-infinite ceiling? How would Nylander have done with Larsson and Nolan this year?
- jcragcrumple

He probably would’ve worked his ass off and moved up oh wait he did

I'm generally negative about all things relating to the Sabres.

I still can't believe the number of "great" players we traded, and won't stop littering these pages with that thought every day, without regard to their current statistics.

I still can't believe the number of great draft picks we squandered, and will ignore the statistical value of those picks to criticize the trades that involved them.

I think we should get rid of the players that have demonstrated their value in the NHL because they were a part of a team that did badly last year.

I will criticise proposed trades I don't like because "a team would have to be crazy to do that," but I feel certain that we can rebuild through hypothetical trades because most GMs are stupid, and therefore I can Jedi-mind-trick them into consummating the trades I believe will make the team better.

Make me the GM, so I don't have to waste all my snark and intelligence in these boards, and I can build the Sabres into the team I envision them to be.

We have gone thru this before:

Jbotts signed ahl players and used them in the nhl
He traded for scott wilson
He claimed Jordan nolan

If he was trying to win, more moves would have been made.

Ottawa was in the Ecf last year, they tried, then failed.

If you think we didnt want the 1st pick for some reason, you are not paying attention.

Who doesn't want dahlin?
You really think jbotts and tpegs wanted to pick 8th again.

Brilliant

You must hate jbotts for his mess then?
- Boss34

You really are misguided. Did you totally ignore everything that was said and done, not only on here but words from the owners and management? Feel free to be set in your opinion. This is America after all. But flat out saying they tanked because "they wanted the 1st overall" is pure, grade A horse sh1t. Everyone wants the 1st overall. These are people's livelihoods. They can lose their jobs by purposely failing. I'm not about to repeat the previous points made by others as to which moves were made and why. The the fact of the matter is, they rolled with the players that were already installed here, and spent a year realizing who they should move on with and who they should move on from.

I'm generally negative about all things relating to the Sabres.

I still can't believe the number of "great" players we traded, and won't stop littering these pages with that thought every day, without regard to their current statistics.

I still can't believe the number of great draft picks we squandered, and will ignore the statistical value of those picks to criticize the trades that involved them.

I think we should get rid of the players that have demonstrated their value in the NHL because they were a part of a team that did badly last year.

I will criticise proposed trades I don't like because "a team would have to be crazy to do that," but I feel certain that we can rebuild through hypothetical trades because most GMs are stupid, and therefore I can Jedi-mind-trick them into consummating the trades I believe will make the team better.

Make me the GM, so I don't have to waste all my snark and intelligence in these boards, and I can build the Sabres into the team I envision them to be.
- Der Kaiser

We are going to be good next year

I'm generally negative about all things relating to the Sabres.

I still can't believe the number of "great" players we traded, and won't stop littering these pages with that thought every day, without regard to their current statistics.

I still can't believe the number of great draft picks we squandered, and will ignore the statistical value of those picks to criticize the trades that involved them.

I think we should get rid of the players that have demonstrated their value in the NHL because they were a part of a team that did badly last year.

I will criticise proposed trades I don't like because "a team would have to be crazy to do that," but I feel certain that we can rebuild through hypothetical trades because most GMs are stupid, and therefore I can Jedi-mind-trick them into consummating the trades I believe will make the team better.

Make me the GM, so I don't have to waste all my snark and intelligence in these boards, and I can build the Sabres into the team I envision them to be.
- Der Kaiser

homo

He probably would’ve worked his ass off and moved up oh wait he did
- gerbe75pts

He did? Keep in mind Nylander's competition with 3 games remaining was Girgensons, Wilson and Pouliot. Baptiste had to get ahead of Reinhart, Okposo and Pominville.

So Baptiste played 30-some-od games with Griffith, Nolan, Larsson, Girgensons and Josefson.

He had 4 goals and 2 assists while playing 12 mins a night.

How many points is Nylander getting?

You really are misguided. Did you totally ignore everything that was said and done, not only on here but words from the owners and management? Feel free to be set in your opinion. This is America after all. But flat out saying they tanked because "they wanted the 1st overall" is pure, grade A horse sh1t. Everyone wants the 1st overall. These are people's livelihoods. They can lose their jobs by purposely failing. I'm not about to repeat the previous points made by others as to which moves were made and why. The the fact of the matter is, they rolled with the players that were already installed here, and spent a year realizing who they should move on with and who they should move on from.
- TheSabresTaco

Can't be both though?

Wanting to pick #1 and seeing how the chips fall.

And because ownership said something, you believe everything you are told?

You really are misguided. Did you totally ignore everything that was said and done, not only on here but words from the owners and management? Feel free to be set in your opinion. This is America after all. But flat out saying they tanked because "they wanted the 1st overall" is pure, grade A horse sh1t. Everyone wants the 1st overall. These are people's livelihoods. They can lose their jobs by purposely failing. I'm not about to repeat the previous points made by others as to which moves were made and why. The the fact of the matter is, they rolled with the players that were already installed here, and spent a year realizing who they should move on with and who they should move on from.
- TheSabresTaco

I’m the biggest tanker on the board even I know they didn’t lose on purpose

They played Jack Eichel at the end of the year when we didn’t even have the last spot locked up that tells you right there

homo
- TheSabresTaco

It's not accurate, but it's not out of place.

I'm generally negative about all things relating to the Sabres.

I still can't believe the number of "great" players we traded, and won't stop littering these pages with that thought every day, without regard to their current statistics.

I still can't believe the number of great draft picks we squandered, and will ignore the statistical value of those picks to criticize the trades that involved them.

I think we should get rid of the players that have demonstrated their value in the NHL because they were a part of a team that did badly last year.

I will criticise proposed trades I don't like because "a team would have to be crazy to do that," but I feel certain that we can rebuild through hypothetical trades because most GMs are stupid, and therefore I can Jedi-mind-trick them into consummating the trades I believe will make the team better.

Make me the GM, so I don't have to waste all my snark and intelligence in these boards, and I can build the Sabres into the team I envision them to be.
- Der Kaiser

bruh

We are going to be good next year
- Boss34

I’m the biggest tanker on the board even I know they didn’t lose on purpose

They played Jack Eichel at the end of the year when we didn’t even have the last spot locked up that tells you right there
- gerbe75pts

Good I have your %100 disagreement, makes me feel more correct now.

They played jack because of bonuses and the union bs.
You cant shut him down, gets rid of the #stealth

He did? Keep in mind Nylander's competition with 3 games remaining was Girgensons, Wilson and Pouliot. Baptiste had to get ahead of Reinhart, Okposo and Pominville.

So Baptiste played 30-some-od games with Griffith, Nolan, Larsson, Girgensons and Josefson.

He had 4 goals and 2 assists while playing 12 mins a night.

How many points is Nylander getting?
- jcragcrumple

Nylander will never be in Situation because he has a higher calling..

Listen obviously Baptiste doesn’t work hard enough or he would be rewarded yes ?

Are there actually people who think Baptiste played well enough to earn time on the top line, would mesh well with Eichel, and the thought just never occurred to Phil?

bruh
- Sabresfan-365

I stopped at being negative, as if wanting to get better players so we become a better team is negative.

It's truly remarkable how people want little to no change of a 31st place team.

Truly remarkable.

I'm generally negative about all things relating to the Sabres.

I still can't believe the number of "great" players we traded, and won't stop littering these pages with that thought every day, without regard to their current statistics.

I still can't believe the number of great draft picks we squandered, and will ignore the statistical value of those picks to criticize the trades that involved them.

I think we should get rid of the players that have demonstrated their value in the NHL because they were a part of a team that did badly last year.

I will criticise proposed trades I don't like because "a team would have to be crazy to do that," but I feel certain that we can rebuild through hypothetical trades because most GMs are stupid, and therefore I can Jedi-mind-trick them into consummating the trades I believe will make the team better.

Make me the GM, so I don't have to waste all my snark and intelligence in these boards, and I can build the Sabres into the team I envision them to be.
- Der Kaiser

*Presses "Like" Button

I don't have Facebook any more, just getting my therapy. Well said.

Good I have your %100 disagreement, makes me feel more correct now.

They played jack because of bonuses and the union bs.
You cant shut him down, gets rid of the #stealth
- Boss34

So they play the MVP of the team but they’re tanking ?

It was the good karma that got us the first overall pick from not tanking

It's not accurate, but it's not out of place.
- Der Kaiser

Where you been?

That’s why I said Best case scenario
- gerbe75pts

He was a throw-a-way in for the Regehr deal.

*Presses "Like" Button

I don't have Facebook any more, just getting my therapy. Well said.
- RhinoFan

When are you guys going to take over Instagram and Snapchat so we can find things to replace that

He was a throw-a-way in for the Regehr deal.
- dadeadhead

Your point ? I always liked Byron
If Baptiste ends up like him then it’s a win for us

Nylander will never be in Situation because he has a higher calling..

Listen obviously Baptiste doesn’t work hard enough or he would be rewarded yes ?
- gerbe75pts

No. For the fifth time, he was rewarded for a 2-goal game by playing less the next game on the same line.

All 4 of his goals were of the highlight variety.

He played well with Jack last year.

How many assists can you expect a player to get if they're feeding larsson and Nolan?

How many points is jack (frank)ing Eichel gonna get it he plays 12 mins a night with those two?

I stopped at being negative, as if wanting to get better players so we become a better team is negative.

It's truly remarkable how people want little to no change of a 31st place team.

Truly remarkable.
- sbroads24

People want change, just not change involving moving the players they overvalue.

They think that trading a player that is good means we will be getting only second round picks.

They don't realize off season trades are usually hockey trades that benefit both sides.

They don't realize the players they are overvaluing are going to be worthless by the time this relatively young team is competing.

They don't understand selling high even on something you like can be a benefit in the long run.


Anything and everything should be done to make this team better. We have a group of players assembled by multiple GM's and coached by up to 3 coaches. We have absolutely zero team chemistry and this probably feeds into the line combos we are seeing. Nobody compliments each other. GMTM missed the chemistry numbers when he was giving us the NHL 18 treatment