If Guhle starts in Buffalo, he plays. Beaulieu could be kept as a 7/8. My big point here is that at least 1 of the 9 you list will probably be hurt before opening night and that we're not so deep that it causes issues.
- Lunaion

I'd honestly be happy with keeping Falk as the 7/8.

Why is McCabe falling off the charts?
Hes a hard nosed home grown defenseman.
I wouldn't be overlooking him.
Solid 4 or 5 guy ahead of scandella for sure.
- Boss34

I think most are listing Guhle over McCabe bc Guhle has higher upside

At some point...
(assuming Guhle develops as we all think/hope)
we are gonna have to make a decision on McCabe vs Scandella
Most likely only protecting 3 defensemen in the next expansion draft

As it stands now:
Dahlin- exempt
Ristolainen- protected
Guhle- protected
McCabe/Scandella- one protected
Nelson- unprotected
Borgen- exempt

Bogosian & Beaulieu likely gone by then

Then I would say I am not against getting rid of certain players with high salaries, but I would be much more interested to know who you claim those players are, than being cutesy.
- Der Kaiser

I've been pretty direct in pointing out who those guys are.

Bogosian, Okposo, O'Reilly, Scandella,

Two of these probably have close to zero trade value.

That leaves Scandella and ROR. As mentioned, it's not just a salary issue but a style problem. Scandella plays the game the way it was in 2009. That's not ideal for a team building around Eichel, Mittelstadt, Dahlin, Guhle etc.

ROR while solid in many areas, doesn't really move the puck. Speaking from the eye test, he constantly butchers zone entries, especially on the powerplay. Neither his foot speed or passing abilities are anything you'd consider bad, they're just not where you'd want them to be, not at 7.5 million.

Moving either or both of those players for assets accomplishes one of two things. Either one or both (likely ROR if it all) brings back player(s) who actually fit this ideal system or they both bring back enough value that you find yourself flush with assets again, and this time they can be spent on the correct players, as oppose to guys who would have been ideal on a previous contender in a previous era.

So what you are really saying is that after Bogo gets hurt in training camp, we'll have two righties in the line-up. If yes, then Dahlin moving to the right-side is a real possibility.
- SabreWest

Basically.

Although Guhle has played some RD

letting lehner walk makes you better by default.
- TheHank

I'd honestly be happy with keeping Falk as the 7/8.
- feetontheair22

keep falk and fedun as your 7th, 8th


keep guhle in rochester, or you need to move scandella or mccabe

Canada finishes the round robin in third place at the World Championship
Ryan O'Reilly pointless in four straight games

keep falk and fedun as your 7th, 8th


keep guhle in rochester, or you need to move scandella or mccabe
- homiedclown

This is prefectly acceptable to me.

Falk and Fedun are serviceable 7/8 dmen at a reasonable price.

Let Guhle stay in Roch next season and keep Scandella & McCabe......its not like we'll be challenging for a playoff spot next season. We just need to see progress.

And Guhle gets another season in Roch playing top line minutes.

Was Olli there with him?
- RhinoFan

With who? Himself?

Canada finishes the round robin in third place at the World Championship
Ryan O'Reilly pointless in four straight games
- homiedclown

Does it feel weird to actively root against players on your team

I've been pretty direct in pointing out who those guys are.

Bogosian, Okposo, O'Reilly, Scandella,

Two of these probably have close to zero trade value.

That leaves Scandella and ROR. As mentioned, it's not just a salary issue but a style problem. Scandella plays the game the way it was in 2009. That's not ideal for a team building around Eichel, Mittelstadt, Dahlin, Guhle etc.

ROR while solid in many areas, doesn't really move the puck. Speaking from the eye test, he constantly butchers zone entries, especially on the powerplay. Neither his foot speed or passing abilities are anything you'd consider bad, they're just not where you'd want them to be, not at 7.5 million.

Moving either or both of those players for assets accomplishes one of two things. Either one or both (likely ROR if it all) brings back player(s) who actually fit this ideal system or they both bring back enough value that you find yourself flush with assets again, and this time they can be spent on the correct players, as oppose to guys who would have been ideal on a previous contender in a previous era.
- Sabresfan-365

Your logical fallacy is "Because other GMs are dumb."

And that's where the entire premise of the last 3 months of pissing in one anothers' ears is just silly. After dedicating two entire paragraphs to explaining why neither of ROR or Scandella are worth keeping in today's game, you and the others in your camp nonetheless insist we can become "flush with assets" by trading them. It simply doesn't work that way.

Does it feel weird to actively root against players on your team
- jcragcrumple

nope, I can never force myself to cheer for team canada in hockey

Does it feel weird to actively root against players on your team
- jcragcrumple

after saying that, if there are no big moves up front, IMO okposo and ror are the biggest factors in determining our 2018-19 season

No one has said that either

Must be nice to live in your world & just make stuff up to fit your narrative
- jdfitz77

It's not a GM failure. Its a statistical fact that the player you draft has a better chance of being 4th line or worse (Girgensons) than a good player.

https://www.tsn.ca/statis...draft-pick-value-1.786131
- jcragcrumple

So the mid first is Girgensons, but the 32nd pick with a hypothetical + should get us Max Domi?

Your logical fallacy is "Because other GMs are dumb."

And that's where the entire premise of the last 3 months of pissing in one anothers' ears is just silly. After dedicating three entire paragraphs to explaining why neither of ROR or Scandella are worth keeping in today's game, you and the others in your camp nonetheless insist we can become "flush with assets" by trading them. It simply doesn't work that way.
- Der Kaiser

Gms being dumb isn't a logical fallacy, it's a fact. year after year there are always GMs who make bad decisions. If anything it's a logical fallacy to assume that all GMs are smart

By the way, when i say flush, I don't mean the unrealistic "give me your teams best player and top draft choice for this guy". I mean flush in the context of we are now operating from a surplus and a position of strength.

So the mid first is Girgensons, but the 32nd pick with a hypothetical + should get us Max Domi?
- sbroads24

The mid first statistically has a 50% chance of being 4th line or worse.

If a pick in the second round gets a good player now, that's a win.

There's no disconnect in logic here. A second round pick acquired Evander Kane. GMs do these deals all the time. If we can turn a second and a prospect into a useful player, do it.

Gms being dumb isn't a logical fallacy, it's a fact. year after year there are always GMs who make bad decisions. If anything it's a logical fallacy to assume that all GMs are smart

By the way, when i say flush, I don't mean the unrealistic "give me your teams best player and top draft choice for this guy". I mean flush in the context of we are now operating from a surplus and a position of strength.
- Sabresfan-365

Dale Tallon today "Defense wins championships"

Dale Tallon today "Defense wins championships"
- sbroads24

Las Vegas bulit a cup contender by exploiting dumb GMs.

Exhibit A:

List of players traded straight up for a 4th round pick since last June, with 2017/18 NHL points:

Joe Morrow, 16
Tommy Wingels, 17
Mark Letestu, 23
Brandon Davidson, 7
Nikita Soshnikov, 2
Al Montoya, 2
Jamie Oleksiak, 17
Colin Wilson, 18
REILLY SMITH, 60 (SIXTY)

#DALETALLON

I like McCabe, but I think Scandella and Guhle fit Housley's system better
- jcragcrumple

I know what you are saying, but is he playing the flying V 5 man unit the whole game?

Penalty kill and defensive defenseman is still important.
McCabe adds some muscle and hard to play against too.

Scandella is not good , in my opinion.
Kinda slow to keep up

Las Vegas bulit a cup contender by exploiting dumb GMs.

Exhibit A:

List of players traded straight up for a 4th round pick since last June, with 2017/18 NHL points:

Joe Morrow, 16
Tommy Wingels, 17
Mark Letestu, 23
Brandon Davidson, 7
Nikita Soshnikov, 2
Al Montoya, 2
Jamie Oleksiak, 17
Colin Wilson, 18
REILLY SMITH, 60 (SIXTY)

#DALETALLON
- Sabresfan-365

My favorite is the Anaheim one.

Gives away Theodore, so that they can keep Vatanen, trades Vatanen for Henrique, by seasons end Theodore is the best of the 3.

Las Vegas bulit a cup contender by exploiting dumb GMs.

Exhibit A:

List of players traded straight up for a 4th round pick since last June, with 2017/18 NHL points:

Joe Morrow, 16
Tommy Wingels, 17
Mark Letestu, 23
Brandon Davidson, 7
Nikita Soshnikov, 2
Al Montoya, 2
Jamie Oleksiak, 17
Colin Wilson, 18
REILLY SMITH, 60 (SIXTY)

#DALETALLON
- Sabresfan-365

5th rd picks and scott's wilsons 14 points didn't matter much

My favorite is the Anaheim one.

Gives away Theodore, so that they can keep Vatanen, trades Vatanen for Henrique, by seasons end Theodore is the best of the 3.
- sbroads24

duck's d depth doesn't look so pretty now, does it

Gms being dumb isn't a logical fallacy, it's a fact. year after year there are always GMs who make bad decisions. If anything it's a logical fallacy to assume that all GMs are smart

By the way, when i say flush, I don't mean the unrealistic "give me your teams best player and top draft choice for this guy". I mean flush in the context of we are now operating from a surplus and a position of strength.
- Sabresfan-365

It's a great luxury to be able to say, after the fact, that a GM made a dumb decision.

We have a GM who reached out and picked Jordan Nolan, Jacob Josefson, Kyle Crisciulo, and Nathan Beaulieu. On the basis of those decisions, can we be sure, looking at it prospectively, that he won't make a dumb decision in sending ROR or Scandella packing?

But it all honesty Bailey and Baptist have been a huge disappointment

They dominated rookie camp every year but then When they have the opportunity to make the team with a 99% chance they blow it
- gerbe75pts

This is just non-sense

It's a great luxury to be able to say, after the fact, that a GM made a dumb decision.

We have a GM who reached out and picked Jordan Nolan, Jacob Josefson, Kyle Crisciulo, and Nathan Beaulieu. On the basis of those decisions, can we be sure, looking at it prospectively, that he won't make a dumb decision in sending ROR or Scandella packing?
- Der Kaiser

No, we can't, and the disagreement is that some feel his impact isn't that great, and that moving him for assets and cap space in itself is worth the risk, and gives us more options down the road.

However, this will be ignored, and simplified as "hating" or "being negative" within a page or so