23 forwards played more than him at EV, and all of them around and above him scored more than he did at EV.

He scored like Derek Stepan did this year. Middle of the road 2C.

He's a fine player, but didn't do anything special this year besides break a who cares record
- sbroads24

The last time a player broke that record 12 years ago, their team won the Stanley cup. So, sure, everyone is "who cares" about faceoffs now, but wait til our team can't win many

Good read Pach. Hard to argue with your logic. For all the reasons you mentioned in your piece, I think ROR is the major piece of the core who won't be a Sabre in October.

How many played more than him overall? 5? 2? 1? Any?
- jcragcrumple

24

Avs are back

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- sbroads24

Source?

I'm seeing ROR at :40 seconds behind the leader

The last time a player broke that record 12 years ago, their team won the Stanley cup. So, sure, everyone is "who cares" about faceoffs now, but wait til our team can't win many
- jcragcrumple

The worst team in the league still wins 44% of them

Can the Sabres win with ROR as 2nd line center. I would say yes.
Can the Sabres trade him and not miss a beat, I would say yes.

He should be traded for a 1st round pick this year. add in the 2nd rd pick.

Offer to Montreal, Ottawa, Arizona.

Take a cap dump back from each team if needed.

ROR
2018 2nd round pick
for
2018 1st round pick
Cap Dump.

Who gives a (frank)? GMs are too scared to offer sheet someone.
- Wetbandit1

Means we can offer sheet Athanasiou and could only cost us a 3rd or 2nd

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- sbroads24

Edit: 8th

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...d/false/position/forwards

8th in the league

http://www.espn.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/timeonice/sort/avgTimeOnIce/seasontype/2/league/east/qualified/false/position/forwards

He's 4th, what are you talking about?
- jcragcrumple

That's total time on ice. You aksed about 5 on 5

Edit: 8th

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...d/false/position/forwards

8th in the league
- jcragcrumple

Even with total ice time, look at the point totals around him.

He's in no ones league around him.

ROR is a good hockey player, He does things nobody else on the team does or can do. Faceoff wins and takeaways are very important to team success, so it's confusing how the team didn't have more success than they did. The question is, Is he worth the amount of money he is being paid for what he brings to the table. He said when he first got here that he was finally going to get a chance to be a team leader, I recall he used to stay late after practice to work on things with whoever wanted to work on stuff. That is the sign of a leader.
after season 2 he stated that he needed to be more vocal in the room, now he has lost his passion for the game. I would hope he would be willing to fill any spot in the lineup that helps the team reach their goals, But his past history shows the opposite to be true, so I would think that if GMJB gets a fair offer he just might consider taking it.

Broads, fix your link please.

Edit: the one 3 above this post.

Edit: 8th

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...d/false/position/forwards

8th in the league
- jcragcrumple

I will say this. Look at the point differentials of all those players with > 1,600 minutes.

Again, I do not think ROR is bad, I also think the Sabres should explore trading him.

Even with total ice time, look at the point totals around him.

He's in no ones league around him.
- sbroads24

True. I think that's because he's played too much. Get some capable bottom 6 under him to takeaway some minutes, and get him some better wingers, and he'll be better.

Even with total ice time, look at the point totals around him.

He's in no ones league around him.
- sbroads24

Dustin Brow 61 points, 80 less minutes.

It's a good comparable.

Broads, fix your link please.

Edit: the one 3 above this post.
- Wetbandit1

C'mon New page

Means we can offer sheet Athanasiou and could only cost us a 3rd or 2nd
- gerbe75pts

Yeah, sure, "could", but never in a hundred years will we.

C'mon New page
- ImThatGuy

All he has to do is delete the link and the page will be fixed.

True. I think that's because he's played too much. Get some capable bottom 6 under him to takeaway some minutes, and get him some better wingers, and he'll be better.
- jcragcrumple

but would his point totals not go down then?
Instead of 61 points, he now has 50 because of reduced ice time.

again, ROR good player, I think he should be traded.

All he has to do is delete the link and the page will be fixed.
- Wetbandit1

I did....

Means we can offer sheet Athanasiou and could only cost us a 3rd or 2nd
- gerbe75pts

Detroit would match for that little $$

ROR is a good hockey player, He does things nobody else on the team does or can do. Faceoff wins and takeaways are very important to team success, so it's confusing how the team didn't have more success than they did. The question is, Is he worth the amount of money he is being paid for what he brings to the table. He said when he first got here that he was finally going to get a chance to be a team leader, I recall he used to stay late after practice to work on things with whoever wanted to work on stuff. That is the sign of a leader.
after season 2 he stated that he needed to be more vocal in the room, now he has lost his passion for the game. I would hope he would be willing to fill any spot in the lineup that helps the team reach their goals, But his past history shows the opposite to be true, so I would think that if GMJB gets a fair offer he just might consider taking it.
- macman9

This is false.

Certain faceoffs are important. Maybe 2-3 a game. As a whole, they are overrated.

but would his point totals not go down then?
Instead of 61 points, he now has 50 because of reduced ice time.

again, ROR good player, I think he should be traded.
- ImThatGuy

yes, and he'd be the same player, but his perception would take a dive.

He's at a high point right now

C'mon New page
- ImThatGuy

youre a new page