Carter's line in LA was like Vanek Roy and Afingenov 12 years ago. Carter flourished when his team had two other lines opponents had to focus on because they were even more dangerous.
- buffalofan19

Really? His career years were in Philadelphia. Stop it.

U compared what Ruhwedel did on the Pens to what Carter did on LA

That’s a joke

Pretty sure your point was that we should trade ROR, bc that will make us better...
right?

So even if u don’t consider how good Carter was after he left... and just look at Carter’s stats when he was in Philly...
had Philly actually been BETTER off?
Not until this year

And it’s 8 years later

IT WAS A BAD TRADE
- jdfitz77

Absolutely.

They wouldn’t even have had Richards the last 4 years.

So they wouldn’t have Simmonds or Schenn, who they just turned into 2 1st rounders.

What are you talking about? Philly was bad when they moved those two. Their time was up

Does anyone else find it alarming that Mike Babcock had to fly to Matthew's and Anderson's houses, separately, to mend the fences with them?

That's insane. A Coach flying to a player's house to explain himself to them. What.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Babcock might be overrated
He won a Cup with a stacked Red Wings team,
And some gold medals with Canada where they were the big favorite every year

Maybe he’s not the Bellicheck of Hockey after all

They sure as poop didn't get better, and LA got 2 cups out of the deal
- jcragcrumple

So that's why Philly should have done? Stay mired in mediocrity and hold onto them out of spite just so LA doesn't get a Cup even though they Philly knew they had no chance?

Babcock might be overrated
He won a Cup with a stacked Red Wings team,
And some gold medals with Canada where they were the big favorite every year

Maybe he’s not the Bellicheck of Hockey after all
- jdfitz77

typical butthurt buffalo fan

we got him and we made the playoffs 2 years straight

you guys are terrible

how's those sabres vs maple leafs home games?

*A toronto fan, probably

So that's why Philly should have done? Stay mired in mediocrity and hold onto them out of spite just so LA doesn't get a Cup even though they Philly knew they had no chance?
- buffalofan19

Maybe if they had continued to build around Carter, they could have gotten there. Instead, they wasted Giroux's prime

So that's why Philly should have done? Stay mired in mediocrity and hold onto them out of spite just so LA doesn't get a Cup even though they Philly knew they had no chance?
- buffalofan19

How many cups does Columbus have?

So that's why Philly should have done? Stay mired in mediocrity and hold onto them out of spite just so LA doesn't get a Cup even though they Philly knew they had no chance?
- buffalofan19

Mired in mediocrity! They were a year removed from going to the cup.

Maybe if they had continued to build around Carter, they could have gotten there. Instead, they wasted Giroux's prime
- jcragcrumple

Except they were paying Carter and Richards a ton so they couldn’t have

Maybe if they had continued to build around Carter, they could have gotten there. Instead, they wasted Giroux's prime
- jcragcrumple

No team wins a Stanley Cup with Jeff Carter as its #1 center. None whatsoever.

How many cups does Columbus have?
- sbroads24

Dude. Tyler. Myers. Will. Never. Be. A. Sabre. Again. He's. Gone.

So. Is. Evander. Kane.

Move. On.

Absolutely.

They wouldn’t even have had Richards the last 4 years.

So they wouldn’t have Simmonds or Schenn, who they just turned into 2 1st rounders.

What are you talking about? Philly was bad when they moved those two. Their time was up
- sbroads24

I never said anything about Richards at all
What does his trade have to do with Carter?
Nothing

Just like Ruhwedel on the Pens is a pi$$poor comparison to what Carter did for LA

Carter, even when on Philly
was MUCH better than Voracek + Couturier for the first SIX YEARS after the trade was made

Sorry, it was year 7 where Coots exploded, not 8

What amazes me, is how people are saying “Did Philly get better after reading them”

While refusing to acknowledge we just finished a spot lower than where we were the year before O’Reilly got here

No team wins a Stanley Cup with Jeff Carter as its #1 center. None whatsoever.
- buffalofan19

No Philly team has ever won a cup with Carter. 2 LA teams managed to take on the horrible burden of Carter, and despite his crippling presence, they won it all

I never said anything about Richards at all
What does his trade have to do with Carter?
Nothing

Just like Ruhwedel on the Pens is a pi$$poor comparison to what Carter did for LA

Carter, even when on Philly
was MUCH better than Voracek + Couturier for the first SIX YEARS after the trade was made

Sorry, it was year 7 where Coots exploded, not 8
- jdfitz77

Because Philly actually trades him to the place he won a cup

I think Scott Laughton and Steve Mason are good. Jori Lehtera is awesome. Signed,

Buffalo Fan out of their league

typical butthurt buffalo fan

we got him and we made the playoffs 2 years straight

you guys are terrible

how's those sabres vs maple leafs home games?

*A toronto fan, probably
- BeadyEyedDouche

I think what happens with the Leafs over the next few years will either swing the convo to where he IS overrated
Or of the Leafs at least become legit contenders,
then his “genius status” will be fully legitimate

Mired in mediocrity! They were a year removed from going to the cup.
- Hatboro_Swords

They were digressing. They made an improbable run as a 7-seed that saw the top 3 seeds in their conference lose in the first round. Good on them for taking advantage of it, but that team was never built for long term success. People forget how bad the East really was that year (including the Northeast Division Champion Buffalo Sabres).

This might be a dumber argument than 3rd-or-2nd round

How many cups does Columbus have?
- sbroads24

How much better was Philly without Carter?

I think Scott Laughton and Steve Mason are good. Jori Lehtera is awesome. Signed,

Buffalo Fan out of their league
- Hatboro_Swords

I think Hudson Fasching is good.

Signed,

Tim Murray

Except they were paying Carter and Richards a ton so they couldn’t have
- sbroads24

Didn’t have to trade them both
Just like we have Cap room even if we don’t trade ROR
And other guys can be moved (and are coming off the books after next season) to make even more room

They were digressing. They made an improbable run as a 7-seed that saw the top 3 seeds in their conference lose in the first round. Good on them for taking advantage of it, but that team was never built for long term success. People forget how bad the East really was that year (including the Northeast Division Champion Buffalo Sabres).
- buffalofan19

People conveniently forget how Philly was in turmoil after the next season

No Philly team has ever won a cup with Carter. 2 LA teams managed to take on the horrible burden of Carter, and despite his crippling presence, they won it all
- jcragcrumple

Here's the difference. Carter was Philly's best Center. LA had 2 centers that were better than he was, 3 if you could Richards at the time. Philly tried to build around Carter. LA build with him.

No team wins a Stanley Cup with Jeff Carter as its #1 center. None whatsoever.
- buffalofan19

And no team likely wins a Cup with ROR as it’s 1C
But he’s our 2C here, so.....