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- Reubenkincade

Why? You can't definitively say one way or the other if he's drafted well or not, that's why I said he's been just ok, so far. It's false to say he's drafted well and it's false to say he's drafted poorly, that was my point.

The next core will be Horvat(23), Boeser(21), Petersson(19), and hopefully guys like Juolevi(20), Demko(22), 2018 1st round pick(17/18)


If you want to contend with those guys in the future, then it makes sense to only target assets in that age gap so that they can grow together and enter their primes together. Basically target picks and prospects because teams are unlikely to trade guys that young who are already established roster players.

Can always add some old guys in the future via UFA/TDL to get over the hump once the team’s core is good enough on it’s own to make the playoffs.

Judd Brackett has been the Head of Amateur Scouting for only 2 drafts. Last years draft seemed pretty solid. Although Gradin had a lot to do with EP.

My issue with JB's drafts is that he hasn't given himself more picks going into them. It took a stupid NHL rule (which is now no more) to land us an extra 2nd.
- storm88

Yeah his biggest mistake is believing the team was competitive, finishing near the bottom with only your seven picks is shameful really.

In his case sucking, as a player, means little, gives time for Pettersson to develop and it gets another draft pick. At least that's the theory.
- LeftCoaster

I’m on board if they go this route

The next core will be Horvat(23), Boeser(21), Petersson(19), and hopefully guys like Juolevi(20), Demko(22), 2018 1st round pick(17/18)


If you want to contend with those guys in the future, then it makes sense to only target assets in that age gap so that they can grow together and enter their primes together. Basically target picks and prospects because teams are unlikely to trade guys that young who are already established roster players.

Can always add some old guys in the future via UFA/TDL to get over the hump once the team’s core is good enough on it’s own to make the playoffs.
- Nucker101

Giving up ANY young assets or draft picks at this point is a sackable offence. Evander Kane as a free asset would be fine as a 27 year old veteran to go with this mix.

Providing his maturity level has improved tenfold.

Why? You can't definitively say one way or the other if he's drafted well or not, that's why I said he's been just ok, so far. It's false to say he's drafted well and it's false to say he's drafted poorly, that was my point.
- LeftCoaster

I understood your point.
You used to preach patience and i have agreed with that.
I dont start judging drafts until 5-7 years after, not 2 years later, or 2 minutes later in some cases.

Giving up ANY young assets or draft picks at this point is a sackable offence. Evander Kane as a free asset would be fine as a 27 year old veteran to go with this mix.

Providing his maturity level has improved tenfold.
- LeftCoaster

Didn’t he fight a teammate in practice just a few months ago?

If you want to build a culture where the next core forms a brotherhood and has a “us” mentality then a guy who fights in practice might not be the way to do it

I understood your point.
You used to preach patience and i have agreed with that.
I dont start judging drafts until 5-7 years after, not 2 years later, or 2 minutes later in some cases.
- Reubenkincade

Agree that you can't judge the past couple drafts yet, but 2014 & 2015 are now up front and center. Virtanen looks like a career third liner but Boeser looks awesome. Demko needs some time as there's holes in his game still and there's really no one left from 2014.

2015 you've still got Brisebois, Gaudette and Jasek, hopefully they prove worthy sooner than later.

Giving up ANY young assets or draft picks at this point is a sackable offence. Evander Kane as a free asset would be fine as a 27 year old veteran to go with this mix.

Providing his maturity level has improved tenfold.
- LeftCoaster

If we're going for a free asset, forget Kane or any UFA this year, and go after EK or OEL next year HARD. Getting that 1D would really set us up especially since I don't see any of the top 10 D in this draft being that game-changer on defense we need save for Dahlin who Buffalo won.

Some teams have a base of talent on the roster when the process starts... we have nothing.. you want to rebuild around sutter
- mauryballstein

Sutter is stop gap material that eats hard minutes. I have no real issues with him.
How long did you think this rebuild stuff was going too take, 1 draft maybe 2?
I expected 5-9 years of pain, starting back in 2012.

Sutter is stop gap material that eats hard minutes. I have no real issues with him.
How long did you think this rebuild stuff was going too take, 1 draft maybe 2?
I expected 5-9 years of pain, starting back in 2012.
- Reubenkincade

If it’s closer to 9 years then you’re doing it wrong

Agree on Sutter, but eventually I’d move on from him once the team is legit. Just like Pitt did

Didn’t he fight a teammate in practice just a few months ago?

If you want to build a culture where the next core forms a brotherhood and has a “us” mentality then a guy who fights in practice might not be the way to do it
- Nucker101

I'm not bothered by that, if it happened, practises can get emotional for a lot of reasons. Doesn't mean you're a wienerhead if you fight in practise, at least in every case.

I’m on board if they go this route
- Nucker101

If it’s closer to 9 years then you’re doing it wrong

Agree on Sutter, but eventually I’d move on from him once the team is legit. Just like Pitt did
- Nucker101

Assuming you get 2 maybe 3 players per draft, i expected 9 years back then. In 2012 we had sweet (frank) all I mean absolutely Zero, for prospects, so 9 years is a realistic expectation.

If it’s closer to 9 years then you’re doing it wrong

Agree on Sutter, but eventually I’d move on from him once the team is legit. Just like Pitt did
- Nucker101

By year six of suckage you should start to see some measurable results!

2014 - 6th last
2015 - 23rd
2016 - 3rd last
2017 - 2nd last
2018 - 6th last
2019 - ???

They're getting to the point we should soon start seeing some results. One problem is they should've picked at least an extra four or five times by now, but they haven't.

I'm not bothered by that, if it happened, practises can get emotional for a lot of reasons. Doesn't mean you're a wienerhead if you fight in practise, at least in every case.
- LeftCoaster

Hard to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after the Jets locker room incident before he got traded out of Winnipeg

“Shut the (frank) up, you selfish (frank),” Buffalo defenceman Justin Falk screamed at Evander Kane before shoving the Sabres’ star winger during a Wednesday practice

Assuming you get 2 maybe 3 players per draft, i expected 9 years back then. In 2012 we had sweet (frank) all I mean absolutely Zero, for prospects, so 9 years is a realistic expectation.
- Reubenkincade

Yet our own fans here used to make fun of other teams’ front offices for sucking for 7-9 years straight.

I guess they’re being humbled now

Judd Brackett has been the Head of Amateur Scouting for only 2 drafts. Last years draft seemed pretty solid. Although Gradin had a lot to do with EP.

My issue with JB's drafts is that he hasn't given himself more picks going into them. It took a stupid NHL rule (which is now no more) to land us an extra 2nd.
- storm88

Hard to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially after the Jets locker room incident before he got traded out of Winnipeg
- Nucker101

I don't care if he's a nice guy, as long as he's a good player. Always one bumhole in the room

The next core will be Horvat(23), Boeser(21), Petersson(19), and hopefully guys like Juolevi(20), Demko(22), 2018 1st round pick(17/18)


If you want to contend with those guys in the future, then it makes sense to only target assets in that age gap so that they can grow together and enter their primes together. Basically target picks and prospects because teams are unlikely to trade guys that young who are already established roster players.

Can always add some old guys in the future via UFA/TDL to get over the hump once the team’s core is good enough on it’s own to make the playoffs.
- Nucker101

This 100%

If it’s closer to 9 years then you’re doing it wrong

Agree on Sutter, but eventually I’d move on from him once the team is legit. Just like Pitt did
- Nucker101

I'd trade Sutter, Gagner, LE, Del Zotto and Gudbranson at this years TDL for picks and prospects, but that's just me. I'd also go hard for EK and OEL because I don't see Juolevi being more than a really good 3, maybe a decent 2 and we need a 1D in the worst way and getting EK or OEL will stabilize the D and allow us to dump Edler and Tanev.

I don't care if he's a nice guy, as looks no as he's a good player. Always one bumhole in the room
- LeftCoaster

Easier to add an bumhole to a locker room that is more established/strong and has somewhat of a winning tradition

“Random” example: The Sharks with Pavelski/Burns/Thornton/Vlasic/Couture

I'd trade Sutter, Gagner, LE, Del Zotto and Gudbranson at this years TDL for picks and prospects, but that's just me. I'd also go hard for EK and OEL because I don't see Juolevi being more than a really good 3, maybe a decent 2 and we need a 1D in the worst way and getting EK or OEL will stabilize the D and allow us to dump Edler and Tanev.
- DariusKnight

What could you sell Karlsson or Ekman-Larsson on though? Those kind of players don't hit free agency to sign with poop teams. If we're being honest.

What could you sell Karlsson or Ekman-Larsson on though? Those kind of players don't hit free agency to sign with poop teams. If we're being honest.
- LeftCoaster

Sign Doubty..he’s going to the highest bidder

Easier to add an bumhole to a locker room that is more established/strong and has somewhat of a winning tradition

Random example: The Sharks with Pavelski/Burns/Thornton/Vlasic/Couture
- Nucker101

Yeah they could definitely hold him in check much better that's for sure. Ok I hope he signs in San Jose, are you happy now