It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

I get the spirit of what you are trying to illustrate... but you can't reasonably label Hunter's draft record as crap or great at this point... too soon. He's had three drafts, which means only two full seasons of post draft development.. for those prospects to become NHL players. Outside of the high first rounders which I would completely agree that the GM/Scouts or whatever shouldn't get too much credit for (e.g. taking Matthews was a no-brainer, Marner less a certainty ...

I think its more of a question mark on Dubas than Hunter...

if the FA signings are on Lou (good or bad) and the contracts are on Lou (Kadri's, Rielly's, Brown's and Hyman's)... Dubas remains a question mark.

what I'm asking is - aside from questioning Hunter's draft record? what are you suggesting?

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Guarantee Bozak gets at least a 2nd round pick. Guaranteed.

Bruins dominated the Leafs. Did you sleep through the ass kickings of game 1 and 2? The Bruins dominated the majority of the series. The Leafs were lucky to get it to 7.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nope, no guarantees
Had the leafs not got gardinered and averagesen stop 2 extra shots.
The leafs would have moved on.

But they didn’t.
And they didn’t trade bo and ko for 3rd or 4th or 5th rounders either.
Ah well.
Moving on.

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- PatC80

So they aren’t handing out the white tank tops anymore?

Guarantee Bozak gets at least a 2nd round pick. Guaranteed.

Bruins dominated the Leafs. Did you sleep through the ass kickings of game 1 and 2? The Bruins dominated the majority of the series. The Leafs were lucky to get it to 7.
- Unholy_Goalie

How can you offer a guarantee?

think before you post, please?

So they aren’t handing out the white tank tops anymore?
- Fakepartofme

I get it, wife beaters...

The Bruins dominated the Leafs. They were lucky to make it to 7 games, it should have been finished in 5.

Bozak would have absolutely got at least a 2nd round pick. Teams jump at face-off winning centers for the playoffs. Gaustad got a 1st round pick one year for (frank) sakes.

Young players would have played even more. Draft picks would bring in even more young players.
- Unholy_Goalie

are you still flogging this boring old horse.... the organization made a decision NOT to deplete the roster of veterans.

get over it - more to the point - it was likely Lou's decision ultimately - and Lou is no longer GM... and you aren't getting the GM job... so stop going on about it.

its not a bad decision... it was just a decision - and you don't know what they were being offered for JvR, Bozak and Komarov.

So they aren’t handing out the white tank tops anymore?
- Fakepartofme

guess not; Line is drawn at beating up wives/girlfriends.

How can you offer a guarantee?

think before you post, please?
- PatC80

certainly you jest... "think before you post"..

I guess there's a first time for everything

How can you offer a guarantee?

think before you post, please?
- PatC80

He might have gotten a second rounder, gauranteed he would have gotten more during the so called culture change.

Nope, no guarantees
Had the leafs not got gardinered and averagesen stop 2 extra shots.
The leafs would have moved on.

But they didn’t.
And they didn’t trade bo and ko for 3rd or 4th or 5th rounders either.
Ah well.
Moving on.
- Fakepartofme

Yes, guaranteed. Stastny got a prospect, conditional 1st and a conditional 4th. Stastny is better than Bozak but not so much better than Bozak couldn't have got a 2nd round pick.

certainly you jest... "think before you post"..

I guess there's a first time for everything
- BorjeFan4Ever

I was trying my best not to beg...

So they aren’t handing out the white tank tops anymore?
- Fakepartofme

The first star...

...Faksie!!!!

Are you guys open for the Leafs to bring back Plekanec for another season? He did play pretty well with his 2 4th line partners and out produced the toddler
- Symba007

can't see it happening... Plekanec would want to go back to his family life in Montreal -I think that would be the primary concern.

but one way or the other... he's not getting 6M again

Yes, guaranteed. Stastny got a prospect, conditional 1st and a conditional 4th. Stastny is better than Bozak but not so much better than Bozak couldn't have got a 2nd round pick.
- Unholy_Goalie

would he have gotten a 2nd which is really more of a 1st or really more of a 3rd? and can you guarantee that?

and more importantly what do you base the guarantee upon? (would that be your opinion by any chance?)

can't see it happening... Plekanec would want to go back to his family life in Montreal -I think that would be the primary concern.

but one way or the other... he's not getting 6M again
- BorjeFan4Ever

he will get 2.5M most likely....for one year (hoping not 2)

I was trying my best not to beg...
- PatC80

never beg when dealing with trolls... they can randomly jump out from under the bridge and grab you !

How can you offer a guarantee?

think before you post, please?
- PatC80

53% FO center with 40 points can't get a 2nd round pick at the deadline? You serious right now?

Paul (frank)ing Gaustad got a 1st round pick at the deadline one year. There's always one moron GM out there who pays a 2nd round pick for a center at the deadline. This year, it was the Leafs with Plekanec. If (frank)ing Plekanec can get a 2nd round pick, guaran (frank)ing teed Bozak can get a 2nd round pick. Guaranteed.

Yes, guaranteed. Stastny got a prospect, conditional 1st and a conditional 4th. Stastny is better than Bozak but not so much better than Bozak couldn't have got a 2nd round pick.
- Unholy_Goalie

This doesn't guarantee anything, like absolutely nothing.

For starters, Stastny is way better than Bozak.

Stastny career 0.78 points per game
Bozak career 0.61 points per game

Stastny had 43 even strength points this year
Bozak had 43 total points.

Yes, guaranteed. Stastny got a prospect, conditional 1st and a conditional 4th. Stastny is better than Bozak but not so much better than Bozak couldn't have got a 2nd round pick.
- Unholy_Goalie

just a question... so St.Louis deals Statsny at the TDL and then misses the playoffs...

so... did St.Louis management make an error in trading Statsny?

(per Pat... think before responding please)

never beg when dealing with trolls... they can randomly jump out from under the bridge and grab you !
- BorjeFan4Ever

I know, it was hard not to beg, but for the most part I kept my composure

This doesn't guarantee anything, like absolutely nothing.

For starters, Stastny is way better than Bozak.

Stastny career 0.78 points per game
Bozak career 0.61 points per game

Stastny had 43 even strength points this year
Bozak had 43 total points.
- PatC80

Sorry but i'm with UGly on this one, he gets a 2nd all day every day.

This doesn't guarantee anything, like absolutely nothing.

For starters, Stastny is way better than Bozak.

Stastny career 0.78 points per game
Bozak career 0.61 points per game

Stastny had 43 even strength points this year
Bozak had 43 total points.
- PatC80

Stastny hasn't put up big points in years. He's been a 40-50 point center for the last few years now. I never said Stastny wasn't better than Bozak. He absolutely is. But that's why he got a prospect, a 1st and a 4th and Bozak would have got a 2nd.

53% FO center with 40 points can't get a 2nd round pick at the deadline? You serious right now?

Paul (frank)ing Gaustad got a 1st round pick at the deadline one year. There's always one moron GM out there who pays a 2nd round pick for a center at the deadline. This year, it was the Leafs with Plekanec. If (frank)ing Plekanec can get a 2nd round pick, guaran (frank)ing teed Bozak can get a 2nd round pick. Guaranteed.
- Unholy_Goalie

You are assuming someone would have overpaid for Bozak.

An assumption is by no means a guarantee

Stastny hasn't put up big points in years. He's been a 40-50 point center for the last few years now. I never said Stastny wasn't better than Bozak. He absolutely is. But that's why he got a prospect, a 1st and a 4th and Bozak would have got a 2nd.
- Unholy_Goalie

Bozak was sheltered here by Babcock as evidenced by his powerplay time and his 57% O-zone starts

Can't assume a team would give up a 2nd rd pick