JVR, Bozak and Komarov should have all been moved and Plekanec was a waste of a 2nd round pick.

Leafs should be sitting on at least two 1st rounds picks, three 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks right now.
- Unholy_Goalie

i think we should have been both buyers/seller.

i would have moved all 3, brought in plekanec and traded for a right hand dman with the picks we brought in.

i think you would demoralized the team by straight out dumping all 3.

i am starting to think lou pushing for a playoff run is part of the reason he's gone.

No the plan was to get experience and make a run.
You don’t reward a top 6 team in the league with dumping players for unknowns.
- Fakepartofme

Plan was a stupid plan and a total pipe dream. They had little to no hope of beating Boston or Tampa Bay and both those teams got better at the deadline too.

Leafs were not a top 6 team.

They could have traded all 3 of JVR, Bozak and Komarov and the result would have been identical. Experience would have been given to younger, better players.

who else did the coach have to go babysit on the road today?
- Symba007

i think we should have been both buyers/seller.

i would have moved all 3, brought in plekanec and traded for a right hand dman with the picks we brought in.

i think you would demoralized the team by straight out dumping all 3.

i am starting to think lou pushing for a playoff run is part of the reason he's gone.
- Tumbleweed

By giving young guys more ice-time? The result would have been the same.

Plan was a stupid plan and a total pipe dream. They had little to no hope of beating Boston or Tampa Bay and both those teams got better at the deadline too.

Leafs were not a top 6 team.

They could have traded all 3 of JVR, Bozak and Komarov and the result would have been identical. Experience would have been given to younger, better players.
- Unholy_Goalie

standings disagree with you.

Yeah, not ending up with the best possible pick isn't so bad. As long as you get a good player in the end, it's good pick.
- Scabeh

Aho looks like he should have gone closer to the top 10 so in that case a lot of GMs made a mistake and it isn't just Hunter.

I agree that if you get a good player. Regular NHL player in to the top 6 or top 4 then you should be happy with the pick. Considering how many busts there are every year.

i think we should have been both buyers/seller.

i would have moved all 3, brought in plekanec and traded for a right hand dman with the picks we brought in.

i think you would demoralized the team by straight out dumping all 3.

i am starting to think lou pushing for a playoff run is part of the reason he's gone.
- Tumbleweed

I heard his exit was planned a couple years ago, ever since Shanny grew his sideburns by 2mm

By giving young guys more ice-time? The result would have been the same.
- Unholy_Goalie

players want to win. management has to have their back.

Plan was a stupid plan and a total pipe dream. They had little to no hope of beating Boston or Tampa Bay and both those teams got better at the deadline too.

Leafs were not a top 6 team.

They could have traded all 3 of JVR, Bozak and Komarov and the result would have been identical. Experience would have been given to younger, better players.
- Unholy_Goalie

I agree that moving out expiring contracts prior to being a real contending team should have been done.

However you have no actual evidence to suggest the results would have been identical. It's your own personal theory.

I do believe the team would have made the playoffs just fine and they really had nothing to lose by trading JVR, Komarov and Bozak. (Center depth was an issue so I dont think Bozak got traded ever)

Worst case scenario they lose to Boston/Tampa first round but collected experience and assets.

Best case, they beat Boston/Tampa in the first round and collected experience and assets.

Worse Worst scenario - Keep all pending UFA's and lose out in the first round

players want to win. management has to have their back.
- Tumbleweed

Look how happy Brayden Schenn was of being part of the Blues after they traded Stastny.

Run into the second round...great. I get that but I'm unsure if it was worth it. Time will tell.
- Aaron_85

Meh, there was no guarantee what assets you could get or even if bozak or koma could even be moved.

standings disagree with you.
- Tumbleweed

Who cares, everybody on the planet knew those kids couldn't win with that supporting cast, but yet they decided not to get assets for them..
How do you spell stupid..

standings disagree with you.
- Tumbleweed

No, they don't.

They were 7th in points, tied for 9th in ROW.

For comparison, Florida had 41 ROW, the Leafs had 42. The difference between those two teams this year in the standings was basically the Leafs success in the shootout.

I agree that moving out expiring contracts prior to being a real contending team should have been done.

However you have no actual evidence to suggest the results would have been identical. It's your own personal theory.
- Aaron_85

So they might not have lost in the first round without those wussyassed players?

players want to win. management has to have their back.
- Tumbleweed

You think players want to show up to games wearing suits with a shaved face? No, but they are told to and they do. Management has to do what is best for the team, the players have to trust the process.

No, they don't.

They were 7th in points, tied for 9th in ROW.

For comparison, Florida had 41 ROW, the Leafs had 42. The difference between those two teams this year in the standings was basically the Leafs success in the shootout.
- Unholy_Goalie

i forgot.

only top 6 teams can win a round in the playoffs

You think players want to show up to games wearing suits with a shaved face? No, but they are told to and they do. Management has to do what is best for the team, the players have to trust the process.
- Unholy_Goalie

players aren't mindless sheep.

Meh, there was no guarantee what assets you could get or even if bozak or koma could even be moved.
- Fakepartofme

I really feel JVR could have gotten a 1st round pick + A level prospect.

Don't care if Bozak or Komarov got traded. Doubt Bozak would have due to week center depth.

Plan was a stupid plan and a total pipe dream. They had little to no hope of beating Boston or Tampa Bay and both those teams got better at the deadline too.

Leafs were not a top 6 team.

They could have traded all 3 of JVR, Bozak and Komarov and the result would have been identical. Experience would have been given to younger, better players.
- Unholy_Goalie

So taking a team to game 7 and getting gardinered is team with no hope?
Think again.
Jvr would have brought back a late 1st rounder and a piece, no proof that anyone wanted bozak or koma, sorry.
Younger players played.

So they might not have lost in the first round without those wussyassed players?
- bobbyisno1

I expanded on this.

No, they don't.

They were 7th in points, tied for 9th in ROW.

For comparison, Florida had 41 ROW, the Leafs had 42. The difference between those two teams this year in the standings was basically the Leafs success in the shootout.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh sorry 7th.
Big change.

So taking a team to game 7 and getting gardinered is team with no hope?
Think again.
Jvr would have brought back a late 1st rounder and a piece, no proof that anyone wanted bozak or koma, sorry.
Younger players played.
- Fakepartofme

Either way, i'm glad that they're gone.
A little upset that there wasn't any return.

I agree that moving out expiring contracts prior to being a real contending team should have been done.

However you have no actual evidence to suggest the results would have been identical. It's your own personal theory.

I do believe the team would have made the playoffs just fine and they really had nothing to lose by trading JVR, Komarov and Bozak. (Center depth was an issue so I dont think Bozak got traded ever)

Worst case scenario they lose to Boston/Tampa first round but collected experience and assets.

Best case, they beat Boston/Tampa in the first round and collected experience and assets.

Worse Worst scenario - Keep all pending UFA's and lose out in the first round
- Aaron_85

Evidence was the fact that the Bruins and the Lightning were easily better teams and both got better at the deadline. It was obvious that the Leafs had no real hope of being either team and going any further than the 1st round. And don't give me the "they went 7 against the Bruins" because the Bruins slapped the Leafs around for 7 games. The Leafs were lucky it wasn't over after 5.

Call up Kapanen, Johnsson, Gauthier and every other young guy you can and give them more ice-time. Give them experience. Give them time. They still lose the series but they go home with young guys playing and more draft picks.

I really feel JVR could have gotten a 1st round pick + A level prospect.

Don't care if Bozak or Komarov got traded. Doubt Bozak would have due to week center depth.
- Aaron_85

Jvr sure.
But the other two?
Meh

I expanded on this.
- Aaron_85

Saw that and I believe without those wussyass players they would have had a better chance.