So Phaneuf was the problem and not the lazy slackers JVR and Bozak?
Not to mention Bernier.
- bobbyisno1

This is evidence by the fact they kept Bozak and JVR until the end of their contracts.

Bernier was moved out as soon as they could too. They wanted a sieve who would let goals in though.

Hanafin would have been a fine pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah, but would he have an adorable father/son type relationship with Marleau? If the answer is no then Hunter is the one and only choice for GM and any further discussion of this matter is forbidden.

Could have just traded Kessel for Fluery..
- bobbyisno1

thankfully that didnt happen

This is evidence by the fact they kept Bozak and JVR until the end of their contracts.

Bernier was moved out as soon as they could too. They wanted a sieve who would let goals in though.
- Aaron_85

And letting those 2 walk for nothing really burns my arse, maybe that's why Lou is gone.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

You've gone full UG. Never go full UG.

they have an Osuna T-shirt give away coming against Seattle
I assume they scrap it..or they should
- senstroll

Guy thought he had anxiety problems before. Yikes.

thankfully that didnt happen
- senstroll

Why?, they said there was gonna be a culture change.
If they got rid of Kessel, Jvr and Bozak not even the second comming of Christ would have gotten them out of last place.
And they would have a better goaler now.

Also the Dubas point is also misleading. i know thats what keeps getting said..but he has a pretty good track record to get to where he is now.



he just has an open mind about using all tools. i think thats a more fair comment
- senstroll

Nah, all gms have an “open mind” about using that tool. Dubas seems to rely on it more that the average. It seems

And letting those 2 walk for nothing really burns my arse, maybe that's why Lou is gone.
- bobbyisno1

Oh I agree. JVR should have been moved for future assets. I think there was a bit of an over-valuation of where the team is/was this season.

Yes he scored 36 goals and in some games he'd look good and in others he was mediocre. Based on prices this past deadline he could have gotten significant assets.

Hartman and Rich Nash both got first round picks. JVR could have gotten a first and a solid player. Or 3 picks like Tatar!

You've gone full UG. Never go full UG.
- Unholy_Goalie

Hanafin would have been a fine pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm not so sure the Carolina Cellar Dwellars would agree with you. Marner was Leafs top Leaf scorer this year and spent time on a line with your favorite - Matt Martin. Point is, Marner was not a complete no-brainer pick, it was a great pick and credit goes to Hunter for it. Dermott was also a good pick, as was Bracco. Not picking DeBrincat - and picking Korshkov instead was a putrid move for sure.

Oh I agree. JVR should have been moved for future assets. I think there was a bit of an over-valuation of where the team is/was this season.

Yes he scored 36 goals and in some games he'd look good and in others he was mediocre. Based on prices this past deadline he could have gotten significant assets.

Hartman and Rich Nash both got first round picks. JVR could have gotten a first and a solid player. Or 3 picks like Tatar!
- Aaron_85

JVR, Bozak and Komarov should have all been moved and Plekanec was a waste of a 2nd round pick.

Leafs should be sitting on at least two 1st rounds picks, three 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks right now.

Oh I agree. JVR should have been moved for future assets. I think there was a bit of an over-valuation of where the team is/was this season.

Yes he scored 36 goals and in some games he'd look good and in others he was mediocre. Based on prices this past deadline he could have gotten significant assets.

Hartman and Rich Nash both got first round picks. JVR could have gotten a first and a solid player. Or 3 picks like Tatar!
- Aaron_85

No. Management believed the leafs could make a run, jvr would help with that run.
They took a slightly better team to a game 7.
Leafs choked and got gardinered

Why?, they said there was gonna be a culture change.
If they got rid of Kessel, Jvr and Bozak not even the second comming of Christ would have gotten them out of last place.
And they would have a better goaler now.
- bobbyisno1

well they got Kapanen and a 1st (which was used to get Andersen). they were rebuilding and needed to tank. If a goalie came in and did what he is doing now that would have (frank)ed up a good tank

I'm not so sure the Carolina Cellar Dwellars would agree with you. Marner was Leafs top Leaf scorer this year and spent time on a line with your favorite - Matt Martin. Point is, Marner was not a complete no-brainer pick, it was a great pick and credit goes to Hunter for it. Dermott was also a good pick, as was Bracco. Not picking DeBrincat - and picking Korshkov instead was a putrid move for sure.
- winsix

Can't win 'em all though.

By AW's logic in that post the GM who picked Brown in the 6th round should be paraded around as the draft master for picking a solid NHLer in the 6th round!

JVR, Bozak and Komarov should have all been moved and Plekanec was a waste of a 2nd round pick.

Leafs should be sitting on at least two 1st rounds picks, three 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks right now.
- Unholy_Goalie

No the plan was to get experience and make a run.
You don’t reward a top 6 team in the league with dumping players for unknowns.

No. Management believed the leafs could make a run, jvr would help with that run.
They took a slightly better team to a game 7.
Leafs choked and got gardinered
- Fakepartofme

Run into the second round...great. I get that but I'm unsure if it was worth it. Time will tell.

No details yet of what occurred
- Fakepartofme

From what I’ve read, even if it he isn’t convicted there is a good chance he’ll get suspended for a bit. They talked about 4 other cases of this where the athlete was NOT convicted and it ranged from 14-52 games suspensions by the league.

So good chance regardless of what happens he’ll be suspended by the league.

No. Management believed the leafs could make a run, jvr would help with that run.
They took a slightly better team to a game 7.
Leafs choked and got gardinered
- Fakepartofme

It doesn't matter, unless they believed they could win the cup.
Otherwise it's just wasted assets.
And I highly doubt they thought they were gonna win the cup.

I wouldn't say the Leafs look bad for taking Dermott(+Bracco +Dzierkales) over Konecny or Carlo. Konecny doesn't bring anything the Leafs don't already have in droves, and there isn't much to suggest Carlo>Dermott.

Aho is the big miss, though. He's similar to what we already have, sure, but that talent level could at least be leveraged in a trade for a better d-man.

Happy with Dermott, though. We could have done better, but IMO we still did very well.

From what I’ve read, even if it he isn’t convicted there is a good chance he’ll get suspended for a bit. They talked about 4 other cases of this where the athlete was NOT convicted and it ranged from 14-52 games suspensions by the league.

So good chance regardless of what happens he’ll be suspended by the league.
- bryant

Do you think he's traded to get him out of the city? I guess not if Varlamov is still tending goal in Colorado.

No the plan was to get experience and make a run.
You don’t reward a top 6 team in the league with dumping players for unknowns.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah and they rewarded the non traded idiots with more ice time than Mathews, Who the faq is running this team.

Hunter

I wouldn't say the Leafs look bad for taking Dermott(+Bracco +Dzierkales) over Konecny or Carlo. Konecny doesn't bring anything the Leafs don't already have in droves, and there isn't much to suggest Carlo>Dermott.

Aho is the big miss, though. He's similar to what we already have, sure, but that talent level could at least be leveraged in a trade for a better d-man.

Happy with Dermott, though.
- Feeling Glucky?

Yeah, not ending up with the best possible pick isn't so bad. As long as you get a good player in the end, it's good pick.

who else did the coach have to go babysit on the road today?