In seven playoff games this year, Andersen had a GAA of 3.76 and a SV% of .896

That doesn't scare you a little?
- Atomic Wedgie

No because the team (frank)ing sucked in front of him too.

I think they have too scrap it now.
- PatC80

ffs osuna..

Can anyone make the case why the Leafs should choose Dubas over Hunter?

I think most would agree that Hunter's draft record with Toronto has been very good. He is widely regarded as having a keen eye for talent, both in the amateur and professional levels. By some media accounts, he wants to be an NHL GM.

Dubas' skills are reputed to be primarily in analytics.

I just don't see the reasons to choose Dubas for the job over Hunter.

Discuss.
- fifty__missions

i think we just came to the conclusion that the jury is still very much out.

Which goalie would you rather have?

Playoff numbers;

Andersen - 22W - 16L, .912 Save % and 2.61 GAA
Reimer - 3W - 4L, .921 Save % and 2.82 GAA
Bernier - 2W - 5L. .885 Save % and 3.35 GAA
- PatC80

Can I go with option D and say none of the above?

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- BestRapperAlive

according to some, that's the loneliest number

Can I go with option D and say none of the above?
- bobbyisno1

Sure.. If you find him and can get him for less than what was given up for Andersen.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.
- Atomic Wedgie

I know you're referring to this specific topic of the perceived (and as yet unsubstantiated) infallibility of Hunter/Dubas, but there's nothing weird about group think in the Toronto sports media.

It happens all the time. Not an original thought to be found.

Sure.. If you find him and can get him for less than what was given up for Andersen.
- PatC80

Could have just traded Kessel for Fluery..

Can anyone make the case why the Leafs should choose Dubas over Hunter?

I think most would agree that Hunter's draft record with Toronto has been very good. He is widely regarded as having a keen eye for talent, both in the amateur and professional levels. By some media accounts, he wants to be an NHL GM.

Dubas' skills are reputed to be primarily in analytics.

I just don't see the reasons to choose Dubas for the job over Hunter.

Discuss.
- fifty__missions

Also the Dubas point is also misleading. i know thats what keeps getting said..but he has a pretty good track record to get to where he is now.

Dubas began as a stick boy for an OHL club 21 years ago. Worked his way up through hockey ops, scouting (while earning a university degree) working as an NHL player agent, then as an OHL GM, AHL GM, NHL AGM.

he just has an open mind about using all tools. i think thats a more fair comment

Could have just traded Kessel for Fluery..
- bobbyisno1

Also the Dubas point is also misleading. i know thats what keeps getting said..but he has a pretty good track record to get to where he is now.



he just has an open mind about using all tools. i think thats a more fair comment
- senstroll

I can agree with that statement.

He's not going to be perfect and neither will Hunter. I'm worried about hiring Hunter in a way because he's great at drafting (allegedly) but so was JFJ and look what he did as GM.

- jimi james

Shocking, I know.
Another reason Dubas sucks.

Arizona selected Strome at #3.

Leafs selected Marner at #4.
- Atomic Wedgie

Babaschlong wanted to get Hanafin - who was rated ahead of undersized Marner, and it was Hunter who convinced Shanny and Lou that Marner was the right pick. Also of note, Lawson Crouse was rated ahead of Marner by central scouting, luckily he was not selected - now that would have been a puke of a pick.

I agree - jury is out on Hunter, Marner was his best pick - no question about it, and it was his pick. Korshkov was a brutal bad pick, so was Ian Scott - I will reserve judgement.

As a plus for Dubas - Marlies are in better shape than in .... forever.

Could have just traded Kessel for Fluery..
- bobbyisno1

Why would Pittsburgh trade their #1 Goalie at the time to a team that had no leverage whatsoever?

Kessel would only approve a trade to a handful of teams, most of which were up against the cap. I don't think the Leafs were in any position to ask for more than what they got.

Why would Pittsburgh trade their #1 Goalie at the time to a team that had no leverage whatsoever?

Kessel would only approve a trade to a handful of teams, most of which were up against the cap. I don't think the Leafs were in any position to ask for more than what they got.
- PatC80

People forget all about this. Leafs had very little leverage. Leafs were trying to change the culture, trying to get rid of salary, trying to trade a high ticket/long term contract. Bottom out to get Matthews. Very few teams were interested in Kessel so they got what they could especially because teams knew they couldn't keep Kessel as he's single handedly would win them too many games.

Top 6 winger with speed
Throw in defense prospect
1st round pick

Sucks they retained but it did the job

Why would Pittsburgh trade their #1 Goalie at the time to a team that had no leverage whatsoever?

Kessel would only approve a trade to a handful of teams, most of which were up against the cap. I don't think the Leafs were in any position to ask for more than what they got.
- PatC80

What, they were trying to dump him for years to save cap space.

Why would Pittsburgh trade their #1 Goalie at the time to a team that had no leverage whatsoever?

Kessel would only approve a trade to a handful of teams, most of which were up against the cap. I don't think the Leafs were in any position to ask for more than what they got.
- PatC80

Also the first year that they won the cup with Kessel Murray was the goalie.
And that was the first year Kessel was there.

People forget all about this. Leafs had very little leverage. Leafs were trying to change the culture, trying to get rid of salary, trying to trade a high ticket/long term contract. Bottom out to get Matthews. Very few teams were interested in Kessel so they got what they could especially because teams knew they couldn't keep Kessel as he's single handedly would win them too many games.

Top 6 winger with speed
Throw in defense prospect
1st round pick

Sucks they retained but it did the job
- Aaron_85

Try to change the culture, that's a laugh, all they did was trade Kessel.
The other three clowns are now gone for nothing.

What, they were trying to dump him for years to save cap space.
- bobbyisno1

no they weren't.. They were not gonna move him until Murray was ready;

Fleury played 64 games the season prior to the Kessel trade, I doubt they were gonna roll with Greiss + whatever backup they had

Try to change the culture, that's a laugh, all they did was trade Kessel.
The other three clowns are now gone for nothing.
- bobbyisno1

Phaneuf and Kessel were the two major changes they were trying to make. They did that.

Babaschlong wanted to get Hanafin - who was rated ahead of undersized Marner, and it was Hunter who convinced Shanny and Lou that Marner was the right pick. Also of note, Lawson Crouse was rated ahead of Marner by central scouting, luckily he was not selected - now that would have been a puke of a pick.

I agree - jury is out on Hunter, Marner was his best pick - no question about it, and it was his pick. Korshkov was a brutal bad pick, so was Ian Scott - I will reserve judgement.

As a plus for Dubas - Marlies are in better shape than in .... forever.
- winsix

Hanafin would have been a fine pick.

no they weren't.. They were not gonna move him until Murray was ready;

Fleury played 64 games the season prior to the Kessel trade, I doubt they were gonna roll with Greiss + whatever backup they had
- PatC80

Murry was already there, He replaced Fluery in the first playoff that Kessel played.

Hanafin would have been a fine pick.
- Atomic Wedgie

#TeamHanifin

Phaneuf and Kessel were the two major changes they were trying to make. They did that.
- Aaron_85

So Phaneuf was the problem and not the lazy slackers JVR and Bozak?
Not to mention Bernier.

they have an Osuna T-shirt give away coming against Seattle
I assume they scrap it..or they should
- senstroll

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