Leafs trade their 25th pick to Vancouver for Chris Tanev. Canucks trade their 7th and 25th picks to Buffalo for the 1st pick overall.
- Beatle_john

You can't question it! Cause if you do, you'll see evidence that his drafts aren't very good
- BestRapperAlive

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Bobby Ryan? Andrew Shaw? David Backes?

I don't disagree with the rest of your argument though.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

the trade for Andersen?

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes.

But Mike will expand on that next blog.

Apparently, he hit his girlfriend and police were called in, early this morning;
- PatC80

He should hire Varlamov's lawyer.

the trade for Andersen?
- PatC80

1st round pick for a surplus goalie.

Jury is still very much out on Andersen.

Is it a bad trade? No.

Is it something that makes me want to call MLSEL management the greatest of all time? Nope.

1st round pick for a surplus goalie.

Jury is still very much out on Andersen.

Is it a bad trade? No.

Is it something that makes me want to call MLSEL management the greatest of all time? Nope.
- Atomic Wedgie

fair enough, but he is an improvement on Bernier/Reimer.

He should hire Varlamov's lawyer.
- AdamFrench

not a bad idea.

As long as it is not Voynov's lawyer I guess.

1st round pick for a surplus goalie.

Jury is still very much out on Andersen.

Is it a bad trade? No.

Is it something that makes me want to call MLSEL management the greatest of all time? Nope.
- Atomic Wedgie

Jury is out on what exactly? Taking the team to a cup? Guess you can say the Jury is still out on Price too then.

the trade for Andersen?
- PatC80

No, no, no. Of course he'll leave out the good things management has done to strengthen his points. Hes not totally wrong, but its not all right in what hes saying at all either. Dermott has been great. How many Carlo games did this guy watch to say hes so much better? Aho? Fwds were not a need at the time. Atomic, I usually like what you say but youre wrong, one sided and just angry right now.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Tell us how you really feel



I think you're being too hard on all the moves but overall I think you're assessment that no one should be putting Dubas and Hunter on a pedestal. Neither have done a perfect job. They simply are owed a chance in my opinion.

Jury is out on what exactly? Taking the team to a cup? Guess you can say the Jury is still out on Price too then.
- Aaron_85

Price has gotten many teams past the first round. Some of which didn't deserve to.

Andersen's game 7 splits are frightening

He is a good goalie, I'm just not sure that trade was "makes" a management group as Wedgie is pointing out.

Jury is out on what exactly? Taking the team to a cup? Guess you can say the Jury is still out on Price too then.
- Aaron_85

In seven playoff games this year, Andersen had a GAA of 3.76 and a SV% of .896

That doesn't scare you a little?

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry. should have draft laine - spatso

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington? can still (frank) up 4 OA. ask vancouver. and they didn't stay married to harrigton once they realized it was a mistake

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them. seems to be working out for philly and us

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer. - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.


Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now. this is looking bad.


They signed Matt Martin. I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.



They brought in Polak. I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.



They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move). I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.



They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more. fair value for a guy with a limited ntc. there was no market for him.


They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal. I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou. far and away his best move imo. gaborik on the sens. lol.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Jury is out on what exactly? Taking the team to a cup? Guess you can say the Jury is still out on Price too then.
- Aaron_85

The jury is always out on Price.

Hell he was incredible vs the Rangers a year ago and some people blamed him because the Habs couldn't score more than 2 goals for their life.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

No, no, no. Of course he'll leave out the good things management has done to strengthen his points. Hes not totally wrong, but its not all right in what hes saying at all either. Dermott has been great. How many Carlo games did this guy watch to say hes so much better? Aho? Fwds were not a need at the time. Atomic, I usually like what you say but youre wrong, one sided and just angry right now.
- Burkefection

Hey, Burksie, it's a dialogue here. Open forum.

I've asked the question: what have Dubas and Hunter done that shows they are the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom?

Seriously, I'm asking you: what have they done that you think sets them above others?

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Dude, foisting Dion's albatross contract on the Sens of all teams was too rad for mom and dad, that was a great move.

Finding a place for Kessel in the cap era was a good move too, didn't have many options.
Andersen was a great move. Sparks looks good.

Kadri's contract rules, as does Rielly's and Brown's.

It's easy to say drafting Marner was a no-brainer now, but they could have so easily picked Strome and they didn't.

Price has gotten many teams past the first round. Some of which didn't deserve to.

Andersen's game 7 splits are frightening

He is a good goalie, I'm just not sure that trade was "makes" a management group as Wedgie is pointing out.
- RickJames77

no of course it doesn't.. Wedgie asked if was missing anything else.. I mentioned the Andersen trade.. Much better goalie than Reimer/Bernier. Besides, blaming Andersen for the series loss, is like saying Bergeron was the only reason Boston won.. In that 3rd period, it seemed like a lot of our players quit..

Dude, foisting Dion's albatross contract on the Sens of all teams was too rad for mom and dad, that was a great move.

Finding a place for Kessel in the cap era was a good move too, didn't have many options.
Andersen was a great move. Sparks looks good.

Kadri's contract rules, as does Rielly's and Brown's.

It's easy to say drafting Marner was a no-brainer now, but they could have so easily picked Strome and they didn't.
- Zezel

Picking Strome after he was already taken by the Yotes would have been a sick move imo.

In seven playoff games this year, Andersen had a GAA of 3.76 and a SV% of .896

That doesn't scare you a little?
- Atomic Wedgie

nope.

We know, he was not at fault for every goal against.. At what point, does the defense share in the blame?

Dude, foisting Dion's albatross contract on the Sens of all teams was too rad for mom and dad, that was a great move.

Finding a place for Kessel in the cap era was a good move too, didn't have many options.
Andersen was a great move. Sparks looks good.

Kadri's contract rules, as does Rielly's and Brown's.

It's easy to say drafting Marner was a no-brainer now, but they could have so easily picked Strome and they didn't.
- Zezel

Arizona selected Strome at #3.

Leafs selected Marner at #4.

Things I have learned

All good moves = Dubas/Hunter/Shanny

All bad moves = Lou

All moves not determined as yet = Wait to put into the appropriate above categories

Arizona selected Strome at #3.

Leafs selected Marner at #4.
- Atomic Wedgie