Lindgren looks meh.

You think the Bruins are going to bring back Alexander Khokhlachev and if not, what do you think would be a fair price for him?
- Unholy_Goalie

He signed another deal so not this year. Hopefully after that he would come over. If he doesn't by the time he's 27 then all bets are off so that may hinder his trade value.

I have absolutely no idea what his rights are worth. He had a damn good year in the KHL though.

i also dont think the Leafs would have taken a 2nd for him.
they were looking to make a run, Trading Bozak does not help that
- senstroll

I know what they were trying to do but it was dumb and didn't have much of a real hope of going anywhere. They'd be better off with a pile of picks right now and giving the ice time those guys took to young guys.

He makes 5.3 million a year for 3 more years too. Complete robbery.
- Unholy_Goalie

Absolutely.

He’s still a good player, just not worth three rounds worth of picks like that.

He signed another deal so not this year. Hopefully after that he would come over. If he doesn't by the time he's 27 then all bets are off so that may hinder his trade value.

I have absolutely no idea what his rights are worth. He had a damn good year in the KHL though.
- RickJames77

Eliteprospect says he's only signed through the 2018/2019 season and he's currently 24.

https://www.eliteprospect...925/alexander-khokhlachev

I'd overpay him a signing bonus to get him out of that contract if the Leafs acquired him.

I know what they were trying to do but it was dumb and didn't have much of a real hope of going anywhere. They'd be better off with a pile of picks right now and giving the ice time those guys took to young guys.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well they knew they were getting TB or Boston, both a very tough matchup for them at this point. Trading Bozak and/or JVR would have been a big blow and probably not send the right message to the team.

They still have 7 picks in 2018 and 8 in 2019. Still in a good spot. Also at some point you have to transition from draft pick collector to the next phase. You also start to run to the problem of having lots of prospects and not enough space for them (contract limits, playing time etc... ) you eventually have to ship out a bunch you are giving up on.

Eliteprospect says he's only signed through the 2018/2019 season and he's currently 24.

https://www.eliteprospect...925/alexander-khokhlachev

I'd overpay him a signing bonus to get him out of that contract if the Leafs acquired him.
- Unholy_Goalie

That's not how it works. All the Bruins have to do is keep submitting a qualifying offer every year and we have his rights. We can keep doing that until he is 27.

It's this weird franking group-think that has taken over the Toronto sports media.

Hunter and Dubas are both the greatest rising stars in NHL managementdom - their track record speaks for itself.

What the frank have they actually done?????

You don't get credit for drafting Matthews. Sorry.

Selecting Marner? It has worked out well, but quite frankly, Hunter has shown an alarming disposition for too much loyalty to London Knights players. Remember Harrington?

Other than that, what else have they done?

Traded down for Dermott - as I demonstrated above, that doesn't look good on them.

Kadri's contract extension - I'm guessing most of the credit for that goes to Lou.

Signing Marleau? Let's be honest - they pushed a giant pile of cash up to his garage - no other club was going to make that offer.

Zaitsev is probably the worst contract in the NHL right now.

They signed Matt Martin.

They brought in Polak.

They brought in Hainsey (not bad, but not exactly a blockbuster move).

They traded Kessel for pennies on the dollar (they even franking retained salary). Kapanen looks OK (just OK) and a 1st rounder. We should have received more.

They traded Phaneuf. Not a bad deal for the Leafs, but it was long-term salary dump for Sens giving up a lot of up-front salary dump. Once again, you can't really say that either team won that deal.

Am I missing something else?
- Atomic Wedgie

Howard Berger, is that you? Yep - we're all sheep. Bahhhh. Hire Dubas. Bahhhh. Hire Hunter. Bahhhhh. Charge me $12 for an ACC tall boy.

In all you wrote above not once have you provided an alternative suggestion for Leafs GM. Enlighten us - who would make Atomic Wedgie happy? It's also en vogue in these days of "group-think" to be a pill just because and have a contrarian viewpoint when it's not warranted just to get attention. The proverbial straw man argument (credit: Matt Cauz for defining this on 1050 this morning).

Me? I am satisfied that Brendan Shannahan has done his due diligence. I am satisfied that Dubas is a quality candidate based on the fact another NHL team wanted to hire him after receiving permission to speak with him. He is young, analytics and eye test focused, is deemed a progressive manager and strong candidate for the role based on Atomic Freedman and Bob Wedgie's professional hockey analyst opinions on TSN and Sportsnet. I'm satisfied that one of the greatest all-time GM's - Uncle Lou - already knew of Dubas' reputation as heir apparent the day he himself was hired to be GM of the Leafs, and from the sounds of it, has done nothing to make MLSE feel he is not equipped to take over.

How about the fact this brain trust assembled a team that 3 seasons ago was 30th and just surpassed the franchise record for points in the regular season? How about the fact the Marlies were the best team in the AHL this year and are poised to be in the 3rd round shortly, and likely Calder Cup favourite?

Geez.

Well they knew they were getting TB or Boston, both a very tough matchup for them at this point. Trading Bozak and/or JVR would have been a big blow and probably not send the right message to the team.

They still have 7 picks in 2018 and 8 in 2019. Still in a good spot. Also at some point you have to transition from draft pick collector to the next phase. You also start to run to the problem of having lots of prospects and not enough space for them (contract limits, playing time etc... ) you eventually have to ship out a bunch you are giving up on.
- senstroll

The result would have been the exact same. And the message could have been "young guys, we trust you and we're giving you the reigns and more ice-time". Kapanen, Johnsson, Gauthier and every other young guy could have got more ice-time and chances are they'd do the same or better. Kapanen and Johnsson were better than Bozak and JVR, just imagine if they got more ice-time too.

7 picks is nice but 12 is nicer. Could have also given the Leafs the option of trading up in the 1st round and getting a bigger impact player or just keep the picks and make them count. We all know how difficult it can be to draft good players so having more picks just increases your odds of success.

That's not how it works. All the Bruins have to do is keep submitting a qualifying offer every year and we have his rights. We can keep doing that until he is 27.
- RickJames77

I understand that. What I was saying was if he has 1 year left on his deal, I'd give him the value of that 1 year in the form of a signing bonus so he could buy himself out and come to the NHL if the Leafs acquired him in a trade. But you said he got an extension, do you know how long that goes to?

The result would have been the exact same. And the message could have been "young guys, we trust you and we're giving you the reigns and more ice-time". Kapanen, Johnsson, Gauthier and every other young guy could have got more ice-time and chances are they'd do the same or better. Kapanen and Johnsson were better than Bozak and JVR, just imagine if they got more ice-time too.

7 picks is nice but 12 is nicer. Could have also given the Leafs the option of trading up in the 1st round and getting a bigger impact player or just keep the picks and make them count. We all know how difficult it can be to draft good players so having more picks just increases your odds of success.
- Unholy_Goalie

honestly its not even worth discussing..they were never trading JVR or Bozak. Crying over what could have been is useless

I understand that. What I was saying was if he has 1 year left on his deal, I'd give him the value of that 1 year in the form of a signing bonus so he could buy himself out and come to the NHL if the Leafs acquired him in a trade. But you said he got an extension, do you know how long that goes to?
- Unholy_Goalie

except he'd be signing an elc and the signing bonus is limited to 10%.

honestly its not even worth discussing..they were never trading JVR or Bozak. Crying over what could have been is useless
- senstroll

Are you new here, or did you just wake up after a 6 month coma?

Are you new here, or did you just wake up after a 6 month coma?
- Steven_Seagull

It's like... the status quo here...

except he'd be signing an elc and the signing bonus is limited to 10%.
- Tumbleweed

You sure about that? He already played a few games with the Bruins so he might have already gone through his ELC. He is 24.

You sure about that? He already played a few games with the Bruins so he might have already gone through his ELC. He is 24.
- Unholy_Goalie

true. he's on his rfa deal.

honestly its not even worth discussing..they were never trading JVR or Bozak. Crying over what could have been is useless
- senstroll

It is worth discussing because the idea that the Leafs are contenders is misguided. They are still rebuilding. The decisions they make today have profound effects on the future of this team when they will be real contenders in the future.

Look at the Nashville Predators. The core of their team didn't come from decisions they made in 2018. It's from things they did in 2015 or 2013 or 2010 etc.

true. he's on his rfa deal.
- Tumbleweed

So technically, the Leafs could even give him an offer sheet of 3.9 million and give up a 2nd round pick if Boston doesn't match.

4 year deal at 3.9 million? Does Boston match?

So technically, the Leafs could even give him an offer sheet of 3.9 million and give up a 2nd round pick if Boston doesn't match.

4 year deal at 3.9 million? Does Boston match?
- Unholy_Goalie

gotta be careful.

that might be treading into o'reilly/feaster offer sheet territory.

Are you new here, or did you just wake up after a 6 month coma?
- Steven_Seagull

Yes

gotta be careful.

that might be treading into o'reilly/feaster offer sheet territory.
- Tumbleweed

Explain?

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ostly-for-flames/c-658088

Because O'Reilly played two games for Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Kontinental Hockey League after the NHL season started

The waiver issue? I think it might only apply if he plays KHL games after the NHL season starts.

Explain?
- Unholy_Goalie

fuzzy on the details.

feaster signed o'reilly to an offer sheet to calgary while he was in the khl.

he needed to clear waivers to come back to the nhl if the av's didn't match. lucky for the flames, they did.

Explain?

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ostly-for-flames/c-658088

Because O'Reilly played two games for Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Kontinental Hockey League after the NHL season started

The waiver issue? I think it might only apply if he plays KHL games after the NHL season starts.
- Unholy_Goalie

makes sense

Marchand finds summer work.

Saw this on Facebook today.

Yes b’y
- senstroll

Seriously, UGtard is ONCE AGAIN arguing over nothing.
- Steven_Seagull

well... its a Tuesday... which like any other time of the week is excellent day to try and make the case why he should be the next GM of the Leafs....

by using guarantees, opinions and soft logic.


so .. yup arguing about absolutely nothing.