Which he did... Also, using Weight's roster decisions as a barometer is like using Capuano as a comparison for good prospect development. Barzal didn't make the roster the season before because he had the nerve to get 2 penalties in one game.
- Cptmjl

I don’t even know what we’re discussing here......all I’m saying is this. Doughty is one of if not the best. If he’s available and it’s gonna take Lee (who might i add prob had 10-15 goals padded just playing with JT), Pulock (who shows promise and could be a top 3 dman one day) and two faceless mid round firsts to acquire a Norris candidate, im all in

Yes that player who’s exponentially improved every season. He makes Pulock expendable. I like Pulock and i love Lee. But if you’re telling me I’m givjng up those two for Doughty i ask what color ink you want me to use.
- kindlyrick

We could add two top fours for less. That's really what this team needs more than one elite defenseman IMO. We need depth we have none there isn't one defenseman in the league that's going to fix our defense giving up one of our only good ones doesn't make sense. When you have Adam Pelech, Thomas Hickey, and Scott Mayfield playing in your top 4 at any given time you have serious depth issues with your defense.

I don’t even know what we’re discussing here......all I’m saying is this. Doughty is one of if not the best. If he’s available and it’s gonna take Lee (who might i add prob had 10-15 goals padded just playing with JT), Pulock (who shows promise and could be a top 3 dman one day) and two faceless mid round firsts to acquire a Norris candidate, im all in
- kindlyrick

Ok that's fine. I don't agree. Let's move on.

His yearly growth? That's not much to base a players worth on going from the AHL to the NHL. I don't know let's agree to disagree on this one...
- Cptmjl

I think 10 years ago Pulock woulda been a better prospect possibly than Toews based on his clapper alone. But, it’s a speed game now and Toews has exceptional foot speed.

We could add two top fours for less. That's really what this team needs more than one elite defenseman IMO. We need depth we have none there isn't one defenseman in the league that's going to fix our defense giving up one of our only good ones doesn't make sense. When you have Adam Pelech, Thomas Hickey, and Scott Mayfield aging in your top 4 any given time you have serious depth issues with your defense.
- Cptmjl

Add Toews, and Doughty to the isles backend, with Leddy, Boychuk......sign a vet steady dman, and use Pelech or Hickey at the 6th man and you have something.

Ok that's fine. I don't agree. Let's move on.
- Cptmjl

Where are we moving too? Our team sucks and there’s no sign of change. Ha
We’re all in this pathetic mess together.

Add Toews, and Doughty to the isles backend, with Leddy, Boychuk......sign a vet steady dman, and use Pelech or Hickey at the 6th man and you have something.
- kindlyrick

Something tells me Drew Doughty wouldn't want to sign the last major deal of his career with a shitshow organization like the Isles

Something tells me Drew Doughty wouldn't want to sign the last major deal of his career with a shitshow organization like the Isles
- eichiefs9

Haha. I mean you’re probably right. However, money talks. Obviously this is not an easy discussion as it’s the isles we’re talking about here. But the idea of having a Calder candidate on the isles is something we as fans haven’t seen for literally decades.

Something tells me Drew Doughty wouldn't want to sign the last major deal of his career with a shitshow organization like the Isles
- eichiefs9

He would if Lou was in charge. Do you think giving up Lee, Pulock, and two 1's is too much chief?

Haha. I mean you’re probably right. However, money talks. Obviously this is not an easy discussion as it’s the isles we’re talking about here. But the idea of having a Calder candidate on the isles is something we as fans haven’t seen for literally decades.
- kindlyrick

Bryan Bernard 1997, that catapulted The Islanders into contention

Bryan Bernard 1997, that catapulted The Islanders into contention
- nyisles7

It would have if we didn't trade him, Chara, McCabe, Louongo, Brewer, and the second pick in the draft for a can of pepsi.

Something tells me Drew Doughty wouldn't want to sign the last major deal of his career with a shitshow organization like the Isles
- eichiefs9

Yeah there's that and IF we sign Tavares we'll have a poop ton of cap strapped to two players for a very long time.

Add Toews, and Doughty to the isles backend, with Leddy, Boychuk......sign a vet steady dman, and use Pelech or Hickey at the 6th man and you have something.
- kindlyrick

I like Toews as a prospect a lot. I think having him, Pulock, Pelech, and Aho as young good defense prospects certainly improves your odds that a couple of them will develop into high end players.

Leddy took a HUGE step backwards last year. It seemed to me every single time I saw a retarded mental breakdown by our defense Leddy was on the ice. I am hopeful that we get a coach that can get him playing defense again.. He was an absolute abomination last year.

Where are we moving too? Our team sucks and there’s no sign of change. Ha
We’re all in this pathetic mess together.
- kindlyrick

I don't know man I just know I'm not changing your mind and you're not changing mine. And yes we are all collectively (frank)ed for the foreseeable future being a fan of this yearly hot mess.

He would if Lou was in charge. Do you think giving up Lee, Pulock, and two 1's is too much chief?
- ses111

I don't know if I buy that. Lou isn't hockey-jesus. He's a massive improvement over the pile of human waste we have now, but it's gonna take some sustained success over a few years before anyone looks at the Isles as anything other than the joke they are.

I don't know if I buy that. Lou isn't hockey-jesus. He's a massive improvement over the pile of human waste we have now, but it's gonna take some sustained success over a few years before anyone looks at the Isles as anything other than the joke they are.
- eichiefs9

I'm not saying the Isles will shoot to the #1 destination but Lou gives instant credibly. What is your take on the offer of Lee, Pulock and two 1's?

I'm not saying the Isles will shoot to the #1 destination but Lou gives instant credibly. What is your take on the offer of Lee, Pulock and two 1's?
- ses111

That's a tough (hypothetical) call. On one hand, Doughty is a legitimate superstar that would vastly improve the Isles immediately. On the other hand, he'll be 29 next season and would surely get a 7 or 8 year extension. It would be tough to fork over the type of coin he would command at nearly-30.

That price isn't unreasonable, given who he is. But having zero first round picks over this season and last (when we could have had 3) would be real detrimental to the organization down the road.

My final answer: I probably wouldn't do it. The Isles are not a superstar-defenseman away from being Stanley Cup contenders. That's the kind of move you make when everything else is in place and you just need that last cog in the wheel to push you over the hump. Looking for a cheaper deal for a younger defenseman would be a more prudent move in my opinion. I think we'd be wasting those assets on Doughty, at this point in time.

edit: I'm not sure how I would feel about it if Tavares does end up re-signing. That might change things a little bit, but with a massive question mark in goal...it seems like assets being wasted, given the current state of the franchise.

That's a tough (hypothetical) call. On one hand, Doughty is a legitimate superstar that would vastly improve the Isles immediately. On the other hand, he'll be 29 next season and would surely get a 7 or 8 year extension. It would be tough to fork over the type of coin he would command at nearly-30.

That price isn't unreasonable, given who he is. But having zero first round picks over this season and last (when we could have had 3) would be real detrimental to the organization down the road.

My final answer: I probably wouldn't do it. The Isles are not a superstar-defenseman away from being Stanley Cup contenders. That's the kind of move you make when everything else is in place and you just need that last cog in the wheel to push you over the hump. Looking for a cheaper deal for a younger defenseman would be a more prudent move, in my opinion. I think we'd be wasting those assets on Doughty, at this point in time.
- eichiefs9

I agree. Doughy is great but it's a lot of assets to give up plus the money for someone turning 29. I keep Pulock and bring up Toews and go for Trouba or Brodin. Isles can add a few different pieces instead of just adding Doughty.

I think 10 years ago Pulock woulda been a better prospect possibly than Toews based on his clapper alone. But, it’s a speed game now and Toews has exceptional foot speed.
- kindlyrick

That's based on what? The prospect scrimmage?

I agree. Doughy is great but it's a lot of assets to give up plus the money for someone turning 29. I keep Pulock and bring up Toews and go for Trouba or Brodin. Isles can add a few different pieces instead of just adding Doughty.
- ses111

I think the Jets are going to ultimately hold on to Trouba. Not to mention, with Pulock's emergence in that super-strong 2nd half of the season, the right side of the D is clogging up between 55, 6, and 42. I 'd look and see if they are willing to move Morrissey to leave some room for them to sign Trouba, Hellebuyck, and maybe Stastny. LHD, 23 years old, pending RFA, and would slot in nicely on the second pairing.

I have no idea if there is a willingness to trade him, but if there is...this would be the type of deal that Snow has failed to capitalize on, other than Leddy, in his career. Something like Nelson, another RFA-to-be, and both 2nd round picks could potentially get it done. Or Nelson, 2nd rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year (but we're already missing next year's 2nd [still have CGY's] and our third, so that might be tough).

I think the Jets are going to ultimately hold on to Trouba. Not to mention, with Pulock's emergence in that super-strong 2nd half of the season, the right side of the D is clogging up between 55, 6, and 42. I 'd look and see if they are willing to move Morrissey to leave some room for them to sign Trouba, Hellebuyck, and maybe Stastny. LHD, 23 years old, pending RFA, and would slot in nicely on the second pairing.
- eichiefs9

I rather see these type of moves. Get another dman and goalie. Isles are not ready for a huge type move. Bring in a better coach that can come up with a defensive plan would do wonders as well.

I rather see these type of moves. Get another dman and goalie. Isles are not ready for a huge type move. Bring in a better coach that can come up with a defensive plan would do wonders as well.
- ses111

I'm curious what type of value Nelson brings in a package deal. On one hand, I've seen him seemingly sleep through games and I don't love the way he plays. On the other, he was 1 goal away this year from scoring 20+ goals in each of the last four seasons. Love him or hate him, that counts for something and we've seen GM's out there make stupid trades for guys like him. He could be viewed as a relatively-cheap 3C or 2nd line wing option for a deeper team that doesn't need to rely on him for anything major.

I'm curious what type of value Nelson brings in a package deal. On one hand, I've seen him seemingly sleep through games and I don't love the way he plays. On the other, he was 1 goal away this year from scoring 20+ goals in each of the last four seasons. Love him or hate him, that counts for something and we've seen GM's out there make stupid trades for guys like him. He could be viewed as a relatively-cheap 3C or 2nd line wing option for a deeper team that doesn't need to rely on him for anything major.
- eichiefs9

Have to think Nelson has value in a package. Isles have two 1's and two 2's plus D prospects to trade. I'd rather include one of the 2's in a Nelson deal.

I'm curious what type of value Nelson brings in a package deal. On one hand, I've seen him seemingly sleep through games and I don't love the way he plays. On the other, he was 1 goal away this year from scoring 20+ goals in each of the last four seasons. Love him or hate him, that counts for something and we've seen GM's out there make stupid trades for guys like him. He could be viewed as a relatively-cheap 3C or 2nd line wing option for a deeper team that doesn't need to rely on him for anything major.
- eichiefs9

This is what you'll get for Nelson

That's based on what? The prospect scrimmage?
- Vukota

He won the fastest skater in the AHL all star weekend a year ago. The kid can fly.