Hörnqvist just signed 5 yrs 5.3 mil. Pretty good comparable. Far from an insult
- Just5

5 years 5.3M is significantly different from 4 years 4M.

If he's willing to go 4 years, I'd even go as high as offering him 25 million, 6.25 aav. The cap will almost certainly be north of 80 million next year and could easily be approaching 90 million by the fourth year of his new deal. 6.25 per over 4 wouldn't hurt the Flyers much in the short term nor does it bog them down long term.
- BiggE

I could live with that for 4 years.

I like the idea of of trading a higher AAV for shorter term. IMO term is more important.

Prospects are just that, prospects. What if they don't pan out? get hurt? Right now, at the NHL level, the Flyers goaltending is average at best and if they do nothing it will almost be certainly the same next season. Moving the 19th pick in the draft to land a quality #1 goalie is fine with me, it's not like they don't have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league already and another, higher 1st in this years draft.

You say they aren't going to be a contender next year, but stranger things have happened. A top notch goalie who can steal games can often help a good, but not great team, go on a long playoff run. They really aren't as far as some think, especially if they upgrade in goal. If they can also find a solid 3C and the D keeps getting better, they could go on a legit run. Would they be considered a favorite? Of course not, but with a little luck and an upgrade in goal, they could emerge as a legit dark horse by the end of the season.
- BiggE

Using a first round pick for a goaltender with the prospects they have is a non-starter. If they don't pan out then you can make a move like that.

5 years 5.3M is significantly different from 4 years 4M.
- MJL

Actually that would be 4 years at 5 million.

Yeah, it would be the better business move. In that case, you move him at the deadline next year and hope a young player coming back or one of the kids in LHV is ready to step into a 3rd line role
- BiggE

He seems like the kind of guy that would sign a cheaper extension rather than go to free agency. I am sure he is aware of what the Flyers are building too. As long as the AAV is low, I think they can go longer as long as he doesn't have a full NMC. Anything fair should be tradeable later on

Actually that would be 4 years at 5 million.
- MBFlyerfan

You're right, my bad. Should've used a calculator.

He seems like the kind of guy that would sign a cheaper extension rather than go to free agency. I am sure he is aware of what the Flyers are building too. As long as the AAV is low, I think they can go longer as long as he doesn't have a full NMC. Anything fair should be tradeable later on
- YuenglingJagr

That's what I'm hoping. It's rare but it does happen.

Honestly, I'd rather go with Elliott/Lyon than Elliott/Neuvirth. But I'd much rather have a more reliable starter. Not gonna name names and assets required, but it's what I'd like. Preferably, I'd rather get rid of them both and have Lyon as the backup. He seemed to progress as the season went on, he could become a very good backup.
- jmatchett383

I was thinking about that tandem being our duo next year and I can deal with it but Lyon better be ready for about 37 starts.

Just to be clear, I think trading him is still the right move for the team, but that depends on what they can get for him. I wouldn't trade him on the basis of what happened this year. If someone is trying to buy at that price I would tell them to move along. Regardless of how much better he should be next year compared to this year, it is still the long term future that is most important.

What do I think will happen? I think he plays the entire season here next year.

Just to be clear, I think trading him is still the right move for the team, but that depends on what they can get for him. I wouldn't trade him on the basis of what happened this year. If someone is trying to buy at that price I would tell them to move along. Regardless of how much better he should be next year compared to this year, it is still the long term future that is most important.

What do I think will happen? I think he plays the entire season here next year.
- YuenglingJagr

Thinking about trading him absolutely has merit. If the right deal comes along that you think is better for the long run you have to make it. Signing a player at his age to a long term deal does have it's risks. I just disagree with those who call it a no brainer to trade him.

Genuinely excited at what they're going to (hopefully) do this offseason

Free agency isn't necessarily a solution to a team's woes, but I truly think that they can find something in the range of forwards 9-12 that can help them

Those two first-round picks, assuming STL doesn't crack the top 10, give them the ability to make a move to insert an actual player onto the roster that clearly helps them

There are teams that are seriously going to be looking to do something to change their trajectory. This season with so few coaches fired means that the heat is on for plenty of teams to actively upgrade their rosters because it's not going to be this quiet next season

Montreal, Calgary, Buffalo, Edmonton, the Blackhawks, and probably the Kings are going to be aggressive. That Carolina owner is kind of a wild card. He seems like he will do change just because he feels like it.

Bergevin, Treliving and Chiarelli have to know they aren't getting another season if they don't make the playoffs -- and those teams each could have an interesting piece that the Flyers could possibly pry loose that could help them

You can smell it coming -- not saying it's going to be the biggest deal ever. Just think that Hextall is going to make a move for an established, mid-20s player who people will look at when a deal gets done and be like, "OK. That makes perfect sense"

Just to be clear, I think trading him is still the right move for the team, but that depends on what they can get for him. I wouldn't trade him on the basis of what happened this year. If someone is trying to buy at that price I would tell them to move along. Regardless of how much better he should be next year compared to this year, it is still the long term future that is most important.

What do I think will happen? I think he plays the entire season here next year.
- YuenglingJagr

I think he plays out the contract. It's such a tough call. But I don't think Hextall will do a franchise-harming extension. I just don't see that happening

Bill,

i know simmer mentioned wanting to be here for the rest of his career, but this is obviously his only chance at a big pay day. What would you picture as a fair deal, and is there any inkling in your mind he might take a little less if he wanted to stay here (be that length or AAV)? I wouldn't blame him one bit if he's looking to cash in, he's been the best value contract for a veteran in the NHL for a long time.

People are losing their minds on social media about Giroux's comments about fans booing and whatnot. Pretty hilarious.

People are losing their minds on social media about Giroux's comments about fans booing and whatnot. Pretty hilarious.
- Ftown19125

Yeah it's a favorite topic of people that don't actually care about the Flyers

Prospects are just that, prospects. What if they don't pan out? get hurt? Right now, at the NHL level, the Flyers goaltending is average at best and if they do nothing it will almost be certainly the same next season. Moving the 19th pick in the draft to land a quality #1 goalie is fine with me, it's not like they don't have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league already and another, higher 1st in this years draft.

You say they aren't going to be a contender next year, but stranger things have happened. A top notch goalie who can steal games can often help a good, but not great team, go on a long playoff run. They really aren't as far as some think, especially if they upgrade in goal. If they can also find a solid 3C and the D keeps getting better, they could go on a legit run. Would they be considered a favorite? Of course not, but with a little luck and an upgrade in goal, they could emerge as a legit dark horse by the end of the season.
- BiggE

You hit the nail on the head! I was pissed when Hexy signed Elliott and decided to keep Neuvirth. Both had sketchy injury history and with Stolarz having major surgery that is too much of an unknown. Elliott played OK when healthy but didn't exactly set the world on fire either. Neuvy is usually good when healthy, but that is such a rare occurrence it can't be counted on. They need to do something to shore up that position, because even if Hart is the next Patrick Roy, he's still not going to suit up for the Flyers for at least another season or two. So the team is supposed to get average to below average netminding for the next two years because Hexy doesn't want to give up a first round pick (if it even requires that)? Doesn't make much sense to me!

People are losing their minds on social media about Giroux's comments about fans booing and whatnot. Pretty hilarious.
- Ftown19125

Coots's comments about it too.

Coots's comments about it too.
- dragonoffrost

I didn't see his, I have quite a few friends on Facebook wanting to trade Giroux now though

I didn't see his, I have quite a few friends on Facebook wanting to trade Giroux now though
- Ftown19125

He pretty much said that the fans shouting shoot for a minute and a half during a pp are frustrating at times. but they block it out also. People were on Bill's twitter going insane about how the fans were right. LOL

When the playoffs come I am all for players playing thru their injuries, as long as we are not talking about permanent injuries and esp concussions, but I am not on board with Simmonds playing thru a torn pelvis. I acknowledge they didn't have a prospect in the system up to Simmonds ability but playing thru an injury like that probably caused the groin issue and quite frankly he was a shell of his usual self. i think we all knew he was hurt. he played like it all season and in my opinion it hurt the team. Just take the time off to get healthy.

He pretty much said that the fans shouting shoot for a minute and a half during a pp are frustrating at times. but they block it out also. People were on Bill's twitter going insane about how the fans were right. LOL
- dragonoffrost

When the playoffs come I am all for players playing thru their injuries, as long as we are not talking about permanent injuries and esp concussions, but I am not on board with Simmonds playing thru a torn pelvis. I acknowledge they didn't have a prospect in the system up to Simmonds ability but playing thru an injury like that probably caused the groin issue and quite frankly he was a shell of his usual self. i think we all knew he was hurt. he played like it all season and in my opinion it hurt the team. Just take the time off to get healthy.
- nastyflyergirl

ESPECIALLY when it happened in preseason. That is just asinine.

So, 2nd round picks anyone?

I got:

Caps over Pens in 6
This Pens team has holes and Ovi is on a mission, I can't wait to chat with Kenny from Jersey City after this series!

Lightning over Bruins in 6
Unlike the Leafs, the Bolts have some quality Dmen and a top notch goalie. Bruins had some real difficulty with the Leafs speed and they are going to see more of the same with Tampa. Plus, I have no confidence in Rask winning another series.

And, in the West
Sharks over Vegas in 6
It's hard to pick against Vegas, but the Sharks are just on fire right now. I think San Jose gets a split in Vegas and doesn't lose a home game in the series.

Preds over Jets in 7
This is going to be a great a series, but in the end, I'll go with Rinne in a do or die game 7 over the much more untested Hellebuyck.

I agree with this. He's an important part of the team and is only 29. There would be some risk involved with extending him for 5+ years but that's hockey. If healthy, there is no reason why he can't return to his previous form.

Elliott should have told Hackstone he was not ready and slower than my granpa.