Well everyone says "it's not a hextall thing to do" but I don't agree. When has he had the prospect depth and cap space to actually be bold.


- J35Bacher

So Hextall has been preaching over and over about being patient and building through the draft and developing players. Now that he has a strong prospect base he's going to abandon that and move them? Now that he has cap flexibility rather than use that to re-sign players already here, he is going to abandon that and take the team back to the cap ceiling again?

Not since Hextall's been here. Provorov will probably come in around 7 mil. He doesn't have the offensive numbers to demand much more than that. Konecny probably 4.75 over 5 years. Assuming they trade Voracek all of this is a non issue. You speak of this strength of the team that the flyers have down the middle. How did that work for them in the playoffs? And if the Leafs have Matthews and Kadri already with Marner who is capable of playing center...why are they rumored to consider Tavares either?
- Just5

And I am huge Couturier fan but are we so sure he is scoring 31 again next season? the Flyers also had a number 1 center in Giroux...they moved him to wing. Why can't Frost move to wing and be someone like a Gaudreau in the future. Could also allow him to maybe make it sooner as he wouldn't have the huge defensive responsibility.

I understand your line of thinking, but I see Toronto as a much better fit for him as they will have the cap space and are closer to that "compete" threshold.


EDIT: And I will add that in signing with Toronto he would LITERALLY be going home.
- MBFlyerfan

It's not that Toronto's a great fit....JT grew up a huge leaf fan and always said it was his dream to play for the leafs...again sometimes a fit doesn't exist, but a team decides to make moves (ie trade a Nylander or Kadri for defensive help) and all of a sudden there's a better fit.

They would be weaker on the wing. Their best and closest prospects are wingers...and would have some money to sign a middle 6 stopgap winger
- Just5

If Simmonds was really banged up, I say hold him till the trade deadline next year. If he has a great season, I am going to assume so did the Flyers. If he does, then no one on the market or in their pipeline could bring what Simmonds brings, keep him.

I would like Evander Kane but I feel like he will stay in SJ.

So Hextall has been preaching over and over about being patient and building through the draft and developing players. Now that he has a strong prospect base he's going to abandon that and move them? Now that he has cap flexibility rather than use that to re-sign players already here, he is going to abandon that and take the team back to the cap ceiling again?
- MJL

Just like you preached to me, you seem to be glossing over what I say. You can move someone like Voracek when needed. How many prospects am I losing to sign Tavares?

MacDonald is soon up. Gudas is soon up. I don't resign Simmonds.

No where did I say abandon the plan. But all plans can have variations added.

Not since Hextall's been here. Provorov will probably come in around 7 mil. He doesn't have the offensive numbers to demand much more than that. Konecny probably 4.75 over 5 years. Assuming they trade Voracek all of this is a non issue. You speak of this strength of the team that the flyers have down the middle. How did that work for them in the playoffs? And if the Leafs have Matthews and Kadri already with Marner who is capable of playing center...why are they rumored to consider Tavares either?
- Just5

Interesting description of never. Assuming they trade Voracek so it makes it a non issue? What this is, is a non conversation.

I don't care what the Leafs do, that's irrelevant for the Flyers. It is ridiculous for you to state how did it work out for the Flyers in the playoffs when you know that one, Couturier was a monster despite having a torn MCL and that Patrick is undoubtedly going to be a much better player, and a lot more prepared for the playoffs in the future.

RE Tavares

I just feel like it has been TO's plan to get Tavares as that "final piece" for a few years now.

Tavares grew up just outside of Toronto. Grew up a Leafs fan.

All the stars are aligned for this and if that is where he wants to play, that is where he is going to play.

The Leafs have almost 23 million coming off the cap this off season. They can break the bank and still have money left over.

Just like you preached to me, you seem to be glossing over what I say. You can move someone like Voracek when needed. How many prospects am I losing to sign Tavares?

MacDonald is soon up. Gudas is soon up. I don't resign Simmonds.

No where did I say abandon the plan. But all plans can have variations added.
- J35Bacher

When you talk about having the depth to be bold and using up cap space for a big time free agent, that is abandon the plan. It does not make sense for the Flyers to go after Taveras.

It's not often a free agent like Tavares hits the market. Hextall should be looking at the situation.
- Just5

There is no doubt in my mind that if Tavares doesn't sign before FA begins, Hextall makes a call to the agent. Agent says 11, Hextall says no thanks.

RE Tavares

I just feel like it has been TO's plan to get Tavares as that "final piece" for a few years now.

Tavares grew up just outside of Toronto. Grew up a Leafs fan.

All the stars are aligned for this and if that is where he wants to play, that is where he is going to play.

The Leafs have almost 23 million coming off the cap this off season. They can break the bank and still have money left over.
- MBFlyerfan

They don't want him did you see how Matthews and Kadri have played this series? That's ridiculous

I understand your line of thinking, but I see Toronto as a much better fit for him as they will have the cap space and are closer to that "compete" threshold.


EDIT: And I will add that in signing with Toronto he would LITERALLY be going home.
- MBFlyerfan

TAXES

There is no doubt in my mind that if Tavares doesn't sign before FA begins, Hextall makes a call to the agent. Agent says 11, Hextall says no thanks.
- FlyerFan16

That very well could be what he hears. Then again I thought Stamkos agent would be throwing 11 out. I don't think Tavares has interest in coming here

Here's my take on Simmonds:

I love him. He's been one of my favorite Flyers players for the past few years. My preference is to see the Flyers extend him to a 2-3 year deal. But if management has absolutely no intention of resigning him, then they should trade him on Draft Day. Also, if they can't get a deal done by training camp, they should trade him.

My concern is that if he plays the season without a contractual security, then that could spell trouble for the team.

Yeah I don't see Tavares coming to the Flyers. Signing him would be a mistake. Besides, the Flyers need defensive help anyway. They should sign John Carlson this off-season.

RE Tavares

I just feel like it has been TO's plan to get Tavares as that "final piece" for a few years now.

Tavares grew up just outside of Toronto. Grew up a Leafs fan.

All the stars are aligned for this and if that is where he wants to play, that is where he is going to play.

The Leafs have almost 23 million coming off the cap this off season. They can break the bank and still have money left over.
- MBFlyerfan

They can break the bank this offseason. They will have the flexibility to figure it out, same as the Flyers, but they will also see the cap space disappear when they have to sign Matthews and Marner next offseason and Nylander this offseason.

Interesting description of never. Assuming they trade Voracek so it makes it a non issue? What this is, is a non conversation.

I don't care what the Leafs do, that's irrelevant for the Flyers. It is ridiculous for you to state how did it work out for the Flyers in the playoffs when you know that one, Couturier was a monster despite having a torn MCL and that Patrick is undoubtedly going to be a much better player, and a lot more prepared for the playoffs in the future.
- MJL

Interesting description of non conversation and then going into a full paragraph of it.

That very well could be what he hears. Then again I thought Stamkos agent would be throwing 11 out. I don't think Tavares has interest in coming here
- Just5

And all that could be true.

I think I disagree with the thought that "it doesn't make sense for the flyers" or "it doesn't fit Hextall's plan".

Yeah I don't see Tavares coming to the Flyers. Signing him would be a mistake. Besides, the Flyers need defensive help anyway. They should sign John Carlson this off-season.
- jkgrossman

See i think that is a terrible idea.

They don't want him did you see how Matthews and Kadri have played this series? That's ridiculous
- Just5

Huh? Did I miss something?

Huh? Did I miss something?
- MBFlyerfan

Yes. Apparently the flyers should have no interest in Tavares because we have coots and Patrick.

TAXES
- wcorvette

yup...our tax system is brutal....considering the cheque even a meer mortal like me had to write yesterday...but his ability to make it up on endorsements would close that gap pretty quickly. When they talked with Stamkos, the owners of Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons were part of the meeting. Hockey in Toronto and southern Ontario is still the biggest game in town. JT would own this city.

RE Tavares

I just feel like it has been TO's plan to get Tavares as that "final piece" for a few years now.

Tavares grew up just outside of Toronto. Grew up a Leafs fan.

All the stars are aligned for this and if that is where he wants to play, that is where he is going to play.

The Leafs have almost 23 million coming off the cap this off season. They can break the bank and still have money left over.
- MBFlyerfan

If the leafs get JT that will be scary.Crosby and Malkin,Matthews and Tavares.The Flyers wont have players like that.Patrick is going to be a nice player but he won't be on that level.The Flyers need to build a team of depth as opposed to having these superstars.I like Laughton and Lindblom,raffl as part of the bottom 6.Now need 3 more bottom 6 and 1 or 2 top 6.Plus 2 more D and a goalie.Then we can get serious about the flyers being contenders.

Yes. Apparently the flyers should have no interest in Tavares because we have coots and Patrick.
- Just5

While I can see that thought process. In a perfect world, moving Coots back to 3C where he can dominate, like he did on one leg in game 6, would be pretty amazing.

If the leafs get JT that will be scary.Crosby and Malkin,Matthews and Tavares.The Flyers wont have players like that.Patrick is going to be a nice player but he won't be on that level.The Flyers need to build a team of depth as opposed to having these superstars.I like Laughton and Lindblom,raffl as part of the bottom 6.Now need 3 more bottom 6 and 1 or 2 top 6.Plus 2 more D and a goalie.Then we can get serious about the flyers being contenders.
- flyeredup85

age

Frost has had a quiet playoff, being younger I guess could play into that, I just hope he turns it on and then has a real good summer.
- wcorvette

I think he has like 18 points in 14 games...I watched a few of their game in the PO's and to me he still looks pretty damn good.