How does it make sense to trade a 3rd round pick for Mrazek, then play two injured goaltenders who are average at best when healthy during the playoffs?
- PLindbergh31

Considering the fact that the wins he picked up when said 2 goaltenders were simultaneously injured were key to making that playoffs...not a bad price.

Holy poop. Ouch!
- arichardson22

Yeah Kid needed to be told. NO sit in the press box you can't jeopardize your career.

I'm not a fan of players playing as injured as Provorov, Couturier, and Simmonds were. This is a dangerous mentality that sends a poor message to other players that are injured that if they speak up, they'll be viewed poorly by their teammates and organization.

Players with the mental makeup of Provy, Couturier, and Simmonds will never declare themselves ineligible to play. Provorov himself said that as long as his arm was attached, he was going to play. It is up to the organization to recognize the type of players they are and do their job in protecting the player for the long term good of the team.

I don't find playing through such injuries to be a virtue. To me its just dumb.
- StepfordSam

Agreed 100% At a certain point the coaches/trainers need to step in. Simmonds clealrly couldn't play very effectively and there is a strong argument that an ineffective star player is less useful than a heathly scratch that could be playing near or at 100%. Coots really shouldn't have been cleared to skate on that injury imo.

Has a Crosby/Matthews face though
- YuenglingJagr

Hard pass.

I played in the 2007 USA hockey women's nationals with a really screwed up back and I am not even a pro playing for the Stanley Cup. i get it and would absolutely do the same. As long as players aren't risking permanent injury I dont blame them one bit for playing
- nastyflyergirl

Their earning windows is so tiny, relative to the rest of their lives, if they have the remotest fear that they will be perceived in a negative way, professionally, they are not going to err on the side of caution.

How does it make sense to trade a 3rd round pick for Mrazek, then play two injured goaltenders who are average at best when healthy during the playoffs?
- PLindbergh31

guess that says how much confidence the coaching staff had in Mrazek

There are currently 5 wingers in the NHL with cap hits over 8 mil. Flyers have 2 of them. I know we are dirt cheap with centers right now. But Giroux is a LW now. It's interesting in the very least we are setup to pay 2 wingers that much over the next 4 and 5 years

Their earning windows is so tiny, relative to the rest of their lives, if they have the remotest fear that they will be perceived in a negative way, professionally, they are not going to err on the side of caution.
- johndewar

i don;t think its about being perceived the wrong way, I believe its 100% about being competitive and their desire to win. I don't know if you play sports or not but assuming you do, wouldn't you play thru injuries in a quest for a championship?

EDIT: i may add if we are talking about permanent injury or the injury is a concussion then no way should the player be playing.

Agreed 100% At a certain point the coaches/trainers need to step in. Simmonds clealrly couldn't play very effectively and there is a strong argument that an ineffective star player is less useful than a heathly scratch that could be playing near or at 100%. Coots really shouldn't have been cleared to skate on that injury imo.
- hereticpride

They were all still better than the next option. One armed, torn ligaments, etc

guess that says how much confidence the coaching staff had in Mrazek
- nastyflyergirl

Doesn't make any sense. Mrazek is as good a goaltender as Elliott or Neuvirth even when they are healthy. Consistency is an issue with him, but he's no worse than the other goalies. Granted it prob wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome of the series but you play the goalie who's healthy It's a no brainer.

Yeah...pens and flyers forward situations are apples and apples after all
- Just5

The point is that the move was an attempt to get scoring on more lines. It's a contradiction to complain about that and then state that you need 3 scoring lines and it's great to have a 30 goal scorer on each line. Moving Konency put a 24 goal scorer on the 3rd line along with another 24 goal scorer.

I think we might be stuck with Gudas...

https://www.capfriendly.c.../defense/ufa/desc/1/right

Considering the fact that the wins he picked up when said 2 goaltenders were simultaneously injured were key to making that playoffs...not a bad price.
- jmatchett383

No it wasn't a bad price to pay to acquire Mrazek at all. I'm fine with giving up a 3rd round pick for him. But why play goaltenders who are basically the equal of Mrazek if they are injured.

So not true. Someone like JT the money will be met by just about any team. For him, its more about direction of the team, what influence and control he will have with the team, and possibly more importantly quality of living outside of game. A Fax will not be what gets a yes or no....
- youarewrong

That's how teams make offers to players to get the ball rolling. It's an introduction to the start of a negotiation. I guarantee that not every team will be in on the sweepstakes.

The point is that the move was an attempt to get scoring on more lines. It's a contradiction to complain about that and then state that you need 3 scoring lines and it's great to have a 30 goal scorer on each line. Moving Konency put a 24 goal scorer on the 3rd line along with another 24 goal scorer.
- MJL

Someone brought it up earlier I believe they are right in that Hak was worried about the matchup of Konecny routinely against the pens top lines. I don't think they were concerned about spreading out scoring.

Someone brought it up earlier I believe they are right in that Hak was worried about the matchup of Konecny routinely against the pens top lines. I don't think they were concerned about spreading out scoring.
- Just5

Didn't they move him before the playoffs started?

And no matter how good we think or know provorov is...I don't think he gets more than 7. He doesn't have the scoring numbers. They will lock him into an ultra friendly long term contract. I even think it could be around 6.5 per over 8 years
- Just5

Nowhere near catching up to the most recent page of this thread, so maybe this has been addressed but, Provorov literally was tied for 1st in the NHL for goals by a defenseman this year. 17 goals is A LOT for a d man. He didn't rack up a ton of assists, but 41 points is nothing to scoff at. Keep in mind he put up these numbers without being on PP1. Something his agent is fully aware of and will leverage. How many more assists would he have gotten on PP1?

Ryan Suter put up 37, 39, and 46 points, (4, 4, and 7 goals) in his final 3 seasons in Nashville before Minesota signed him to his 13 year, 7.5 mil cap hit contract in 2013 dollars. Provorov just put up 41 points and 17(!) goals while clearly being the most important defenseman on the team. I expect the Flyers to lock up Provorov for 8 years, but I don't expect it to be for less than 7.75 mil.

All that said, I completely agree with your stance that there is no reason NOT to try to sign JT when all it would cost you is money. Voracek is probably one of the best players in the NHL without a NTC. Flyers could demand some serious assets back for him if they had to trade him after a year or two. Pittsburgh has spent the last decade being extremely deep down the middle most seasons and surrounding their centers with a few quality wings and lots of trash, and that has worked out well for them.

So Hextall has been preaching over and over about being patient and building through the draft and developing players. Now that he has a strong prospect base he's going to abandon that and move them? Now that he has cap flexibility rather than use that to re-sign players already here, he is going to abandon that and take the team back to the cap ceiling again?
- MJL

It's just gonna be another quiet summer of tweaks and adjustments -- the process continues -- it's time we all came to terms with that.

(frank) Tavares.

Doesn't make any sense. Mrazek is as good a goaltender as Elliott or Neuvirth even when they are healthy. Consistency is an issue with him, but he's no worse than the other goalies. Granted it prob wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome of the series but you play the goalie who's healthy It's a no brainer.
- PLindbergh31

I can't argue that. After seeing how limited Elliott looked in the last 2 regular season games i was concerned about him being the starter. i think most were

There are currently 5 wingers in the NHL with cap hits over 8 mil. Flyers have 2 of them. I know we are dirt cheap with centers right now. But Giroux is a LW now. It's interesting in the very least we are setup to pay 2 wingers that much over the next 4 and 5 years
- Just5

At least they both had career years. If their production faulters then I'll be worried.

I'd rather be spending big on wingers than playing a goalie north of 7 million.

I seriously love this kid and thank the Devils every day for passing on him

http://www.nbcsports.com/...-3-shoulder-ac-separation
- nastyflyergirl

That is just ridiculous that he played with that kind of injury.

Like you said, 100000)%%%%% glad he is ours.

There are currently 5 wingers in the NHL with cap hits over 8 mil. Flyers have 2 of them. I know we are dirt cheap with centers right now. But Giroux is a LW now. It's interesting in the very least we are setup to pay 2 wingers that much over the next 4 and 5 years
- Just5

I am not as concerned, but I won't lie: I'd very sneakily listen on Voracek, see what's out there. Not because I would want to move him, but because personally, I kinda have always questioned his hockey sense

Admire his courage but there is no way in hell Provorov should've been playing on Sunday. Careless decision by the training + coaching staff and organization not to rule him out. Even worse decision not to dress 7 D knowing how injured he was.
- Baxter27

I really, really like how Leafs faithful are talking themselves into being seriously confident tonight

While I wish nothing but sports misery for both franchises, tears of Leafs fan flow freely and are always sweet. Bruins tears are bitter

Well, I guess we can put to rest on whether Simmonds was playing hurt.

Good lord!