Nylander Gardiner JVR
all Phaneuf category players.
Can't win a cup with them - just don't want to win it enough.

Nothing to do whether Nylander has 60 points or 40 points or 80 points - he just doesn't have 'it'.

Before other GMs find out, better to try and trade him for a young top2 defender (righthander if possible)
- MaximusAurelius

I agree 100% they just don’t seem to get into overdrive.


Hyman
Brown
Marleau
Marner
Kadri
Matthews
Johnsson

Seem to really play with grit

I'm sorta at a cross-roads here..

On one hand I love hockey so much and i want to see the Leafs succeed. But on the other hand I refuse to support a league that clearly fixes games. I don't know what kompormat the Bruins have on Bettman, but it must be worse than hookers pissing on each other in Moscow.

You need to (frank)ing relax.
- Garnie

Matthews in all fairness to him may still be playing hurt. Leafs will disclose that info at end of season. He’s a stud!

I agree 100% they just don’t seem to get into overdrive.


Hyman
Brown
Marleau
Marner
Kadri
Matthews
Johnsson

Seem to really play with grit
- BreathLeafs2015

I thought JVR upped his rat game. And he's been our most productive scorer so far so it's hard to make the arguement this he doesn't want to win.

I agree 100% they just don’t seem to get into overdrive.


Hyman
Brown
Marleau
Marner
Kadri
Matthews
Johnsson

Seem to really play with grit
- BreathLeafs2015

Kapanen not on list?

Kapanen not on list?
- mr.sir

Yes kapanen should be on there. He is a terrific skater and with right line mates and regular shift can produce

Wouldnt be shocking if he sat a game....i doubt hes even got a bump or a bruise after 5 playoff games.
- Garnie

Would be a horrible decision. He hasn’t been good, but he could come in tomorrow and score 2 and be the best player in the game tomorrow. You don’t healthy a guy like that even if he hasn’t been good so far.

I'm sorta at a cross-roads here..

On one hand I love hockey so much and i want to see the Leafs succeed. But on the other hand I refuse to support a league that clearly fixes games. I don't know what kompormat the Bruins have on Bettman, but it must be worse than hookers pissing on each other in Moscow.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You actually believe that the game is fixed? I mean you seriously believe refs are ordered from above or paid off??

You probably said the same thing about Kessel. Even if you didn't many did and it has been gloriously refuted.
- Blazed

kessel always produced in playoffs.

Nylander Gardiner JVR
all Phaneuf category players.
Can't win a cup with them - just don't want to win it enough.

Nothing to do whether Nylander has 60 points or 40 points or 80 points - he just doesn't have 'it'.

Before other GMs find out, better to try and trade him for a young top2 defender (righthander if possible)
- MaximusAurelius

You probably said the same thing about Kessel. Even if you didn't many did and it has been gloriously refuted.

kessel always produced in playoffs.
- MaximusAurelius

JVR has 14pts in 18 Leafs playoffs games.

You actually believe that the game is fixed? I mean you seriously believe refs are ordered from above or paid off??
- Blazed

It just makes too much sense!

You actually believe that the game is fixed? I mean you seriously believe refs are ordered from above or paid off??
- Blazed

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..

Do you really believe that multi-billion dollar coglamorates don't do everything in their power to protect their bussines and do whatever they can make more money? Pretty much every other league has been caught fixing games, why would the NHL be any different. It would be naive to think so.

It just makes too much sense!
- ClarksonDavid

I think the most realistic alternative is just human nature. It's the Leafs, I could see the refs even subconsciously not wanting to appear bias towards Toronto.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..

Do you really believe that multi-billion dollar coglamorates don't do everything in their power to protect their bussines and do whatever they can make more money? Pretty much every other league has been caught fixing games, why would the NHL be any different. It would be naive to think so.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Sorry you trying to convince me that Bettman is ordering the Bruins past the Leafs strikes me as pure tinfoil.

You probably said the same thing about Kessel. Even if you didn't many did and it has been gloriously refuted.
- Blazed

I don't understand this.

JVR has had a good series so far. He has lots of career playoff points. He is playing better then Matthews! Doesn't get any respect..

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..

Do you really believe that multi-billion dollar coglamorates don't do everything in their power to protect their bussines and do whatever they can make more money? Pretty much every other league has been caught fixing games, why would the NHL be any different. It would be naive to think so.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

No, its not a conspiracy. Its just very bad officiating and an unintentional bias.

I don't understand this.

JVR has had a good series so far. He has lots of career playoff points. He is playing better then Matthews! Doesn't get any respect..
- Hockey_Reverend

I agree he's been a good support player. Right now in 2018 I like the impact JVR has on the team.

I don't want JVR overpriced 6 years from now.

Sorry you trying to convince me that Bettman is ordering the Bruins past the Leafs strikes me as pure tinfoil.
- Blazed

Sometimes these things turn out to be true. If it was just the refs then you could argue that only the refs have it out for the buds. But the DoPS went overboard on their Kadri ruling which suggest something more sinister. The world of billion dollar franchises isn't as friendly or honest as you might believe.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..

Do you really believe that multi-billion dollar coglamorates don't do everything in their power to protect their bussines and do whatever they can make more money? Pretty much every other league has been caught fixing games, why would the NHL be any different. It would be naive to think so.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Melnyk ponying up more more than any other owner? Lost your point entirely.

Sometimes these things turn out to be true. If it was just the refs then you could argue that only the refs have it out for the buds. But the DoPS went overboard on their Kadri ruling which suggest something more sinister. The world of billion dollar franchises isn't as friendly or honest as you might believe.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Nothing in this comment altered my opinion. Sorry sounds pretty conspiratorial to me.

JVR has 14pts in 18 Leafs playoffs games.
- Blazed

most points vs 3rd/4th lines or on PP.

Kessel on Toronto always had to play most difficult opponents and was the go-to guy.
That's not a very good comparison.

JVR even with the 14points hasn't showed up in playoffs - at least definitely not these past 5 games.
A few easy tapins on PP doesn't all of a sudden make him a great playoff player.

Melnyk ponying up more more than any other owner? Lost your point entirely.
- AdamFrench

Huh?

As a single owner?

And who's to say the Sens haven't been screwed too? The cup hasn't been rewarded to a Canadian team for 25 years. That's a probability that is almost impossible without some kind of tampering. While struggling teams have success so they can grow the fanbase.

I don't understand this.

JVR has had a good series so far. He has lots of career playoff points. He is playing better then Matthews! Doesn't get any respect..
- Hockey_Reverend

'good play' in playoffs is more than a few easy PP goals.

most points vs 3rd/4th lines or on PP.

Kessel on Toronto always had to play most difficult opponents and was the go-to guy.
That's not a very good comparison.

JVR even with the 14points hasn't showed up in playoffs - at least definitely not these past 5 games.
A few easy tapins on PP doesn't all of a sudden make him a great playoff player.
- MaximusAurelius

that's kinda just how jvr plays in general. doesn't look impressive and is lazy defensively but scores a lot of goals.