Ya, with the preds. They've been quite good for a long time. Like I said, they aren't bad coaches, but they aren't studs like some people seem to think.
- dr_soiledpants

HA!! Yeah right

From 2005-2008 they were 2nd in the west every year

2005 - 2007

Paul Kariya was their leading scorer and I defy you without looking it up to name anyone else in their top 5. Hint. None were elite players

2009/10
His top scorer had 51 points. 51! He had to adapt systems to make that team what it was

Trotz gets the most out of his players, and yes, he's been fortunate with an elite Vokoun followed by Rinne followed by Holtby, but you also have to think he played a part in their success.

Are we calling Quenneville an "ok" coach because he has Kane and Toews (and Hossa etc etc)?

Bowman an ok coach because he had Yzerman, Federov etc etc?

C'mon man. Trotz is a very very good coach.

You know, Peters actually wouldn't be so bad. He is light years up the learning curve than GG was. Their goals may be similar in playing possession hockey but Peters has way more structure & doesn't pull any punches with players. He has been asked to coach at the WC's twice now & has won gold, GG has never been asked to coach at that level. GG just didn't have the experience & really didn't know how to juggle lines, push the right player buttons, show some flexibility, etc. I find myself gravitating to a real hard a$$ coach like Sutter or hoping Trotz becomes available, or what the appeal was with Quenville.
Thats because these fckg players seemed to give up on GG these last 15 games.

Look at the high pedigree of Babcock & Leafs. Last year the took Washington to 7 games & they free rolled like Vegas cause they had zero expectation. This year they expect better & it aint happening. So the history & getting someone that has the loads of experience doesn't necessarily translate to success. I'm beginning to think coaches are about as voodoo as goalies. Look at the Oilers when they hired Chirelli as GM & Mcllellan as coach. Mcllellan had a pretty impressive won loss record & Chirelli had built the Bruins & had won a Cup. Sweeney was the laughing stock & especially after he traded us Dougie. Look where the Bruins are at today.

I guess I'm preaching perspective. Whatever coach we do hire, that "has" to come with some big changes in players, that might even dig into the core. & I think that is what is going to happen. Would love to see Flames go after Ryan O'Reilly. May take Brodie & Bennett for O'Reilly + maybe their 2nd (which will be almost like a 1st) & maybe a very good young player. Who knows.
- Kevin R

Also...
Peters has also been bottom 4 of league last 4 years in penalties taken. If Flames dont trade Bennett hes going to have to get his crap penalties together or hes going to be riding the pine all season.

HA!! Yeah right

From 2005-2008 they were 2nd in the west every year

2005 - 2007

Paul Kariya was their leading scorer and I defy you without looking it up to name anyone else in their top 5. Hint. None were elite players

2009/10
His top scorer had 51 points. 51! He had to adapt systems to make that team what it was

Trotz gets the most out of his players, and yes, he's been fortunate with an elite Vokoun followed by Rinne followed by Holtby, but you also have to think he played a part in their success.

Are we calling Quenneville an "ok" coach because he has Kane and Toews (and Hossa etc etc)?

Bowman an ok coach because he had Yzerman, Federov etc etc?

C'mon man. Trotz is a very very good coach.
- rmull905

Legwand, not sure if that's how you spell it. Pretty sure they also had Radulov, and Weber at that point.

And ya, I'm not so sure Q is so great either. He's really good, but if he's so great what happened this year? What I'm trying to get across to you guys is that you can't just look at playoff appearances, and win/loss records and determine who is a great coach, and who isn't. There are other major factors. Honestly, I'm not so sure the gap between the best and worst guys in the league is very big.

The negativity on here is astounding, no wonder flames fans are getting a reputation lately of being whiners

Babcock has won one playoff series since 2013 despite being in playoffs routinely. Torts was thought to be the worst hiring and look what he's done to the jackets. There's no guarantees of good coaching in this league.

And for the record, AV does value experience over youth which is why Glass was played regularly in the playoffs while Buchnevich was buried in the lineup this year despite being one of their best. Trotz isn't a guarantee to get fired and if he can't get the caps out of the first round, why would we want him?

You people are never happy, give the guy a chance.
- LittleBroDougie

Should’ve just kept GG!!

Should’ve just kept GG!!
- Clyde334

I agree, but since we didn't Peters is the best man for the job and I hope we get him. Either way, if this coaching change doesn't work out then Tre's out of the job next year. I think this team is primed to get better but there are still roster decisions to be made and Tre still has to fix whatever problem the team itself is having.

may as well give peters a shot. Sheldon OKeefe is an up and comer, but I doubt the organization wants a virgin coach. Trotz won't be worth it (assuming the caps flame out this series and he gets canned). I sense Jacques Martin is looking to get behind his own bench again, but his style of play doesn't fit with the existing Flames personnel.

My sources still say Randy Carlyle is the front runner and will be hired once fired from Anaheim.

KFC3

My sources still say Randy Carlyle is the front runner and will be hired once fired from Anaheim.

KFC3
- I_Am_Cloutier

90-48-26 and 2 playoff appearances since being in Anaheim, including the WCFs. Must be just as good as BB. 👍🏻

"Peters likes to look at the game as a race to 3 goals...."

Sounds like fun!

http://www.newsobserver.c...ock/article195889299.html
- itwasin

It's the worst.

Bill is a very smart guy, with a very similar tactical approach to Mike Babcock.

But he also has a lot of Babcock's flaws. He makes life a lot harder on his most talented players and he focuses too much on shutting the opposition down instead of letting his players try to win the game. He tends to put grinders in a position to pick up more points, but severely limits his offensively gifted guys.

"Peters likes to look at the game as a race to 3 goals...."

Sounds like fun!

http://www.newsobserver.c...ock/article195889299.html
- itwasin

It's the worst.

Bill is a very smart guy, with a very similar tactical approach to Mike Babcock.

But he also has a lot of Babcock's flaws. He makes life a lot harder on his most talented players and he focuses too much on shutting the opposition down instead of letting his players try to win the game. He tends to put grinders in a position to pick up more points, but severely limits his offensively gifted guys.

You know, Peters actually wouldn't be so bad. He is light years up the learning curve than GG was. Their goals may be similar in playing possession hockey but Peters has way more structure & doesn't pull any punches with players. He has been asked to coach at the WC's twice now & has won gold, GG has never been asked to coach at that level. GG just didn't have the experience & really didn't know how to juggle lines, push the right player buttons, show some flexibility, etc. I find myself gravitating to a real hard a$$ coach like Sutter or hoping Trotz becomes available, or what the appeal was with Quenville.
Thats because these fckg players seemed to give up on GG these last 15 games.

Look at the high pedigree of Babcock & Leafs. Last year the took Washington to 7 games & they free rolled like Vegas cause they had zero expectation. This year they expect better & it aint happening. So the history & getting someone that has the loads of experience doesn't necessarily translate to success. I'm beginning to think coaches are about as voodoo as goalies. Look at the Oilers when they hired Chirelli as GM & Mcllellan as coach. Mcllellan had a pretty impressive won loss record & Chirelli had built the Bruins & had won a Cup. Sweeney was the laughing stock & especially after he traded us Dougie. Look where the Bruins are at today.

I guess I'm preaching perspective. Whatever coach we do hire, that "has" to come with some big changes in players, that might even dig into the core. & I think that is what is going to happen. Would love to see Flames go after Ryan O'Reilly. May take Brodie & Bennett for O'Reilly + maybe their 2nd (which will be almost like a 1st) & maybe a very good young player. Who knows.
- Kevin R

If you're looking for a coach who can do those things, Bill Peters is not your guy.

Look forward to Johnny Hockey playing on the 3rd line most of the year if you hire BP.

If you're looking for a coach who can do those things, Bill Peters is not your guy.

Look forward to Johnny Hockey playing on the 3rd line most of the year if you hire BP.
- BINGO!

worked out alright for phil kessel

worked out alright for phil kessel
- DeflatedPucks

Heh. Yeah but when the other two lines have Sid and Geno then Phil's probably getting the third pairing, right?

With Skinner it was "Oh, okay, well he's playing with Lee Stempniak and Derek Ryan so we can just use our second pairing, put both guys on Skinner and call it good, then use the top pair against the Aho line."

Instead of loading up one line with scorers, Peters spread them around and stuck them on lines with grinders so that every line suffered at least a little bit and it made them way easier to defend against.

- Iggysbff

Like, Bill's a pretty good coach, but he's a very inflexible coach. He has one way of doing things and if that doesn't work, he's pretty much lost.

Kirk Muller had a *slightly* better record as Canes head coach, with a significantly less talented team.... And Kirk Muller was (frank)ing horrid.

Should’ve just kept GG!!
- Clyde334

I mean we pretty much just got a more disciplined version of him

If you're looking for a coach who can do those things, Bill Peters is not your guy.

Look forward to Johnny Hockey playing on the 3rd line most of the year if you hire BP.
- BINGO!

Was this a joke I couldn't tell.

Like, Bill's a pretty good coach, but he's a very inflexible coach. He has one way of doing things and if that doesn't work, he's pretty much lost.

Kirk Muller had a *slightly* better record as Canes head coach, with a significantly less talented team.... And Kirk Muller was (frank)ing horrid.
- BINGO!

I mean just look at the garbage he has to work with!...jk

Was this a joke I couldn't tell.
- LittleBroDougie

It was not.

Jeff Skinner was playing with Derek Ryan and Lee Stempniak.

It was not.

Jeff Skinner was playing with Derek Ryan and Lee Stempniak.
- BINGO!

seems like a good top line

seems like a good top line
- Reveen.

K honest question. Elliott Friedman was reported saying that he could see a fit with us acquiring Corey Perry. Now I know as a flame fan we all hate the guy, plus he’s over 30 and his best days are likely over with, plus he costs way to much. But if we could trade for him by sending Brodie the other way and some retained salary would anyone be interested?

K honest question. Elliott Friedman was reported saying that he could see a fit with us acquiring Corey Perry. Now I know as a flame fan we all hate the guy, plus he’s over 30 and his best days are likely over with, plus he costs way to much. But if we could trade for him by sending Brodie the other way and some retained salary would anyone be interested?
- Yeah...Baby

No. Wtf. No

Legwand, not sure if that's how you spell it. Pretty sure they also had Radulov, and Weber at that point.

And ya, I'm not so sure Q is so great either. He's really good, but if he's so great what happened this year? What I'm trying to get across to you guys is that you can't just look at playoff appearances, and win/loss records and determine who is a great coach, and who isn't. There are other major factors. Honestly, I'm not so sure the gap between the best and worst guys in the league is very big.
- dr_soiledpants

Sure, so unless you're calling David Legwand elite these days... my point has been made

And, yes, they had a good corps of defencemen

As for Q this year, c'mon man, this is the first year in, what, a decade plus that Chicago didn't make the playoffs? If you don't think a Babcock, Quenneville etc would get more out of this team, then I might as well be behind the bench

K honest question. Elliott Friedman was reported saying that he could see a fit with us acquiring Corey Perry. Now I know as a flame fan we all hate the guy, plus he’s over 30 and his best days are likely over with, plus he costs way to much. But if we could trade for him by sending Brodie the other way and some retained salary would anyone be interested?
- Yeah...Baby

So you want to stack Anaheim's blue line further while acquiring a player we all dislike who's declined a lot in the last few years?

No thanks. Last thing we need is a move like that.