Holy poop I picked a bad time to come in here. 60 points is only a bad year if you expected 100 from him. Just because he didn't live up to your personal expectations doesn't mean he's a bad player. It was his second year in the NHL for christ sakes, and people want to trade him because he's not good enough? Only sixty points. Not good enough. (frank) off.
- UsernameUnknown

People are sounding like mini chiarellis

Did I mention Martin? I said zip about bringing in Martin...need the players in the lineup to do more then just skate around....need to bang their D every chance...just like every other team seems to be doing in the PO's.
- Garnie

A lot of people have sadly mentioned Martin. That statement wasn't geared to you specifically (Max) but it needs to stop just the same. I don't disagree that finishing a check isn't a bad thing. Seems like the only guys doing it are Marner and Bozak That is a sad state of affairs, but that's not that important in the grand scheme of things, I don't think.

who knew Plek would be one of the Leafs top forwards in the playoffs Like Garnie said, he made Kadri expendable

Holy poop I picked a bad time to come in here. 60 points is only a bad year if you expected 100 from him. Just because he didn't live up to your personal expectations doesn't mean he's a bad player. It was his second year in the NHL for christ sakes, and people want to trade him because he's not good enough? Only sixty points. Not good enough. (frank) off.
- UsernameUnknown

Well expectations WERE very high.

I mean me and RJ had troubles convincing some around here that Pastrnak was at the very least Nylander's equal....

Stanley Cup winning goalies since 2007/2008:

Osgood: 43 games played, 976 shots faced. (22.7 shots per game)
Fleury: 62 games played, 1,850 shots faced. (29.8 shots per game)
Niemi: 39 games played, 936 shots faced. (24 shots per game)
Thomas: 57 games played, 1,811 shots faced. (31 shots per game)
Quick: 69 games, 1,863 shots faced. (27 shots per game)
Crawford: 30 games, 769 shots faced. (25.6 shots per game)
Quick: 49 games played, 1,183 shots faced. (24 shots per game)
Crawford: 57 games played, 1,661 shots faced. (29 shots per game)

Murray: 13 games played, 355 shots faced. (27 shots per game)
(Playoff goalie)
Fleury: 58 games played, 1,665 shots faced. (28.7 shots per game)

Fleury: 38 games played, 1,181 shots faced. (31 shots per game)
(15 playoff games)
Murray: 49 games played, 1,450 shots faced. (29.6 shots per game)
(11 playoff games)

Looks like having a great goalie like Quick or Thomas comes in handy but the team in front of the goalie is more important (and both those goalies had ultra defensive and possession based teams). That being said, the Cup winning goalies of the past 10 years have had stacked teams in front of them and had a lighter workload during the season with the team in front of the goalie providing adequate defensive help and strong possession in front of that goalie.

1992 - 2007

Giguere: 60 games played, 1,692 shots faced. (28 shots per game)
Ward: 28 games, 773 shots faced. (27.6 shots per game)
Khabibulin: 55 games played, 1,414 shots faced. (25.7 shots per game)
Brodeur: 75 games played, 1,845 shots faced. (24.6 shots per game.)
Hasek: 65 games played, 1,654 shots faced. (25.4 shots per game)
Roy: 62 games played, 1,513 shots faced. (24.4 shots per game)
Brodeur: 72 games played, 1,797 shots faced. (24.9 shots per game)
Belfour: 61 games played, 1,372 shots faced. (22.5 shots per game)
Osgood: 64 games played, 1,605 shots faced. (25 shots per game)

Osgood: 47 games played, 1,175 shots faced. (25 shots per game)
Vernon: 33 games played, 782 shots faced. (23.7 shots per game )(Playoff goalie)

Roy: 61 games played, 1,797 shots faced. (29.5 shots per game)
Brodeur: 40 games played, 908 shots faced. (22.7 shots per game)
Richter: 68 games played, 1,758 shots faced. (25.9 shots per game)
Roy: 62 games played, 1,814 shots faced. (29.3 shots per game)
Barasso: 57 games played, 1,702 shots faced. (29.9 shots per game)
- Unholy_Goalie

although I totally appreciate the hard work that went into researching this post... a few bad ones in the highest level games can be explained away in many different ways. Anderson is and has always been a goalie to give up a softie. Maybe the pressure of a playoff game elevates this. The final answer is nothing to to with games played or shots taken.... he is just an average goalie playing in an unfair media market which magnifies his short-comings. He is not elite. Never was.

Hey guys, I know everyone is a little down today but let's not lose sight of what's important here.

It's 4/20!
- BlueBallz

F'n Eh!

he was good and very lucky in game 3
- Symba007

I feel like luck has played a ridiculous factor in this series. (Don't tell Tanner.) Leafs were owed that luck. The scores of these games don't completely reflect how they played. That happens sometimes, but not this bad.
They still deserve to be down 3-1, don't get me wrong, but goddamn some of those bounces we couldn't cash in on

For the pinch or not getting the puck deep into the B's o-zone?
- zazzle

The ill-advised pinch..

I think with a rolling puck and Boston's best player this series coming at you, you have to make a smarter play on the puck.. If you consider the score at that time was 1-1 and we were taking it too Boston.

F'n Eh!
- zazzle

Soon to be a regular friday.

That's a bad pinch (at least take the body if the puck goes by you )...those 2 D shouldn't have even been on the ice with Pastranak or Marchand...tired lol, Marchand looks like he could play the whole game most of the time.

I'm not even blaming the D...it would be nice if Line 1 showed up for more then 10 mins this series.
- Garnie

And he 2 for obstructing the player or something like that.

not fair to blame it all on Ander5on, the leafs D takes a lot of chances and gives very good scoring chances.
- Symba007

I am not blaming it all on him, I think Matthews needs to find another level of effort, Nylander needs to get a pulse, JVR has to do more than park his butt in front of the goalie, Zaitsev needs to learn how to put a pass on the tape from 6 feet away and lots more.
On the positive side, Marner gets it, Kapanen and Johnsson look like players, Marleau is Marleau, Dermott shows signs of being very good one day, Hyman is a gamer, Brown busts his butt on every shift despite 4th line talent and Rielly has shown his passion to want to win.
We know this: Kadri will play with passion and fire and hopefully give the team a boost to another level on Saturday.

I feel like luck has played a ridiculous factor in this series. (Don't tell Tanner.) Leafs were owed that luck. The scores of these games don't completely reflect how they played. That happens sometimes, but not this bad.
They still deserve to be down 3-1, don't get me wrong, but goddamn some of those bounces we couldn't cash in on
- UsernameUnknown

friendly reminder, habs were losing 3-1 to the Caps a few years ago....and they won in 7 (halak)


but...sadly for the Leafs....the Bruins are not the Caps

Holy poop I picked a bad time to come in here. 60 points is only a bad year if you expected 100 from him. Just because he didn't live up to your personal expectations doesn't mean he's a bad player. It was his second year in the NHL for christ sakes, and people want to trade him because he's not good enough? Only sixty points. Not good enough. (frank) off.
- UsernameUnknown

Seriously, talk about a post of the year nomination for way over the top response. Someone needs to relax a bit.

I didn't say bad, but he really hasn't take the next step. If you were maybe watching the games you might know what I was referring to, like how his production severely dropped off when Matthews was out, how his goal scoring dried up for significant stretches.

I expected that he'd score more this year, and take a step forward, but he didnt. As I mentioned, it's way too early to trade him.....

Well expectations WERE very high.

I mean me and RJ had troubles convincing come around here that Pastrnak was at the very least Nylander's equal....
- Scabeh

It's what Leafs fans do I know Nylander is a good player, but we don't know how good or what kind until we get a few years to see how he plays out. He's not disappointing me (okay, current playoff series aside) in the slightest. He is what he is, and that's a good (frank)ing hockey player.

friendly reminder, habs were losing 3-1 to the Caps a few years ago....and they won in 7 (halak)


but...sadly for the Leafs....the Bruins are not the Caps
- Symba007

I imagine the Bruins will win, though I'd like the Leafs to keep the series going as long as possible.

I am not blaming it all on him, I think Matthews needs to find another level of effort, Nylander needs to get a pulse, JVR has to do more than park his butt in front of the goalie, Zaitsev needs to learn how to put a pass on the tape from 6 feet away and lots more.
On the positive side, Marner gets it, Kapanen and Johnsson look like players, Marleau is Marleau, Dermott shows signs of being very good one day, Hyman is a gamer, Brown busts his butt on every shift despite 4th line talent and Rielly has shown his passion to want to win.
We know this: Kadri will play with passion and fire and hopefully give the team a boost to another level on Saturday.
- Rang

Some players are just cursed....and it might be the case with Marleau

I imagine the Bruins will win, though I'd like the Leafs to keep the series going as long as possible.
- TheMussel

for sure but the Bruins now have 2 chances to close on home ice, they can finally keep the marchand line away from Mar-Plek-Mar

I am not blaming it all on him, I think Matthews needs to find another level of effort, Nylander needs to get a pulse, JVR has to do more than park his butt in front of the goalie, Zaitsev needs to learn how to put a pass on the tape from 6 feet away and lots more.
On the positive side, Marner gets it, Kapanen and Johnsson look like players, Marleau is Marleau, Dermott shows signs of being very good one day, Hyman is a gamer, Brown busts his butt on every shift despite 4th line talent and Rielly has shown his passion to want to win.
We know this: Kadri will play with passion and fire and hopefully give the team a boost to another level on Saturday.
- Rang

What will it be this time? 5 games?

I am not blaming it all on him, I think Matthews needs to find another level of effort, Nylander needs to get a pulse, JVR has to do more than park his butt in front of the goalie, Zaitsev needs to learn how to put a pass on the tape from 6 feet away and lots more.
On the positive side, Marner gets it, Kapanen and Johnsson look like players, Marleau is Marleau, Dermott shows signs of being very good one day, Hyman is a gamer, Brown busts his butt on every shift despite 4th line talent and Rielly has shown his passion to want to win.
We know this: Kadri will play with passion and fire and hopefully give the team a boost to another level on Saturday.
- Rang

Mathews has been the biggest disappointment.

Points can be forgiven if he is trying his best.

What gets me is that he swore in the post game and then hid from another. Thats coddling at the highest. Unprofessional.

If leafs did NOT play a physical team
Matthews and nylander would DOMINATE
they are NO match for heavy physical BEATINGS


leafs would do better against lightning
- BreathLeafs2015

Are the Bruins still the same big physical team they were 5 years ago?

Seriously, talk about a post of the year nomination for way over the top response. Someone needs to relax a bit.

I didn't say bad, but he really hasn't take the next step. If you were maybe watching the games you might know what I was referring to, like how his production severely dropped off when Matthews was out, how his goal scoring dried up for significant stretches.

I expected that he'd score more this year, and take a step forward, but he didnt. As I mentioned, way too early to trade him
- Archaic

I love that one. I watched the games.
There are a number of people who have said to trade him. It really is a stupid idea. 60 points is not bad for a sophomore. If you expected more, that was your own downfall. Marner had an awful stretch at the beginning of the year and everyone thought he sucked too. Now we have people literally saying he's better than Matthews. This fan base is nuts. Everyone needs to settle the (frank) down. They're all young, and they'll get there.

Agreed, for someone like Alzner to help solidify the Leafs D group
- Symba007

Oh Symba.

This fan base is nuts.
- UsernameUnknown

Oh Symba.
- .HOHO.

I love that one. I watched the games.
There are a number of people who have said to trade him. It really is a stupid idea. 60 points is not bad for a sophomore. If you expected more, that was your own downfall. Marner had an awful stretch at the beginning of the year and everyone thought he sucked too. Now we have people literally saying he's better than Matthews. This fan base is nuts. Everyone needs to settle the (frank) down. They're all young, and they'll get there.
- UsernameUnknown

You responded to my post, and I specifically said its too early to trade him Maybe aim that at the right posters. He was wildly inconsistent and almost a non factor when Matthews was out. It's my opinion, you have yours, I think its you that needs to settle down, i dont see anyone else going off the rails.