Caps lose the next two, gone by game 5... this guy gets fired.


Hired the next day by the Flames...
- geta02it

That was in 2004 when the league was all about hard-hitting grind-it-out style hockey. This league is about speed and skill which is why we need a coach suitable for that. IMO that would be Peters out of the bunch.
- LittleBroDougie

Yeah well they've been saying that since 2006. Darryl has two cups since then.

Yeah well they've been saying that since 2006. Darryl has two cups since then.
- fry

With a slow Kings team that got by on a weak playoffs (2012 - coyotes were in conference finals somehow) and very solid goaltending. League has changed since 2014 - the kings set a record for most games played on route to a cup. Could've gone either way in those series.

Sutter is good for a team like the Ducks

With a slow Kings team that got by on a weak playoffs (2012 - coyotes were in conference finals somehow) and very solid goaltending. League has changed since 2014 - the kings set a record for most games played on route to a cup. Could've gone either way in those series.

Sutter is good for a team like the Ducks
- LittleBroDougie

Yeah Sutter's a good coach but we don't have the right roster for his style. He wouldn't fit here. We need a guy who coaches speed and skill. We have some very talented players and a blue line that's very good at moving the puck and creating offense. Sutter doesn't coach that style of hockey. Doesn't make him a bad coach, just makes him a bad fit for the Flames.

Still not totally sold on Vigneault but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with the job. Bill Peters still seems like the best option to me purely because he coached a very similar style to Gully with a very similarly built team in Carolina. That said, if Trotz does become available then that would be the clear upgrade I'd have been looking for and Tre should do everything in his power to get him. Not sure if he'll even get fired or if he'd come here if he was, but he'd be thw guy I'd want. All that is moot as long as the Caps are in the playoffs anyway, and their series is far from over.

So yeah, still not overly excited about anyone who we know is available at the moment.

With a slow Kings team that got by on a weak playoffs (2012 - coyotes were in conference finals somehow) and very solid goaltending. League has changed since 2014 - the kings set a record for most games played on route to a cup. Could've gone either way in those series.

Sutter is good for a team like the Ducks
- LittleBroDougie

I feel like Sutter is good at identifying the roles players need to play in order to be successful. He's good at getting the most out of them regardless of their size or speed. His teams work hard and have a will to win. The Flames have demonstrated a lack of both.

Just announced on twitter:
"McKenzie: "My understanding is there's a lot of conversation between (Peters) and the Calgary #Flames right now. I think they're trying to finalize a deal. I'm not reporting that it's done, but I'm suggesting that I wouldn't be surprised if they get it done." #Canes1050"

Just announced on twitter:
"McKenzie: "My understanding is there's a lot of conversation between (Peters) and the Calgary #Flames right now. I think they're trying to finalize a deal. I'm not reporting that it's done, but I'm suggesting that I wouldn't be surprised if they get it done." #Canes1050"
- LittleBroDougie

If that's true (and iit's Bob McKenzie so I think it is) then I'd be okay with that. The move is absolutely lateral, but he's still the guy I liked most to come in.

I thought this was funny if Bill Peters turns out to be the Flames' guy. I'm not sure if the fans here or the Reddit fans are more clueless, but here's a direct quote from a Canes fan about Peters as the coach.

The motivation part is very real. You don't win games after 40 minutes. You have to play 60 and the Canes just aren't doing that. That is coaching.

I thought this was funny if Bill Peters turns out to be the Flames' guy. I'm not sure if the fans here or the Reddit fans are more clueless, but here's a direct quote from a Canes fan about Peters as the coach.

The motivation part is very real. You don't win games after 40 minutes. You have to play 60 and the Canes just aren't doing that. That is coaching.
- Hunkulese

I think the ideas suggested on here are way more idiotic. Im on both though. People are too afraid of getting downvoted over there.

If that's true (and iit's Bob McKenzie so I think it is) then I'd be okay with that. The move is absolutely lateral, but he's still the guy I liked most to come in.
- Helios

Agreed. Still not convinced coaching was the issue.

I thought this was funny if Bill Peters turns out to be the Flames' guy. I'm not sure if the fans here or the Reddit fans are more clueless, but here's a direct quote from a Canes fan about Peters as the coach.

The motivation part is very real. You don't win games after 40 minutes. You have to play 60 and the Canes just aren't doing that. That is coaching.
- Hunkulese

Trade speculations will forever be the best. My friend was saying Ovie was coming to Calgary for Hudler and a 2nd. Couldn't even begin to reply to it

With a slow Kings team that got by on a weak playoffs (2012 - coyotes were in conference finals somehow) and very solid goaltending. League has changed since 2014 - the kings set a record for most games played on route to a cup. Could've gone either way in those series.

Sutter is good for a team like the Ducks
- LittleBroDougie

That's a narrative that the younger crowd loves. The game hasn't changed that much in four years. Especially in the playoffs. The only reason Darryl was no longer succeeding in LA was that his shelf-life was done. He's the meanest Coach in the NHL.

You're still definitely avoiding the fact that Darryl had his team posting dominant possession numbers throughout his tenure with LA. People liken his style to heavy physicality because he drives his bottom six through a wall.

The top six he coached more towards establishing dominant possession through skilled puck support, then setting up for attacking plays once they've made enough room.

Sheng Peng on here did some really interesting post game play breakdowns for the Kings when he started out. I recommend checking them out for a better look at how Sutter's team handled establishing possession.

And saying 2012 was an easy year is a complete cop-out. The West was brutal and they went on the most dominant playoff run in the modern era. He had them prepared for heavy early series games and buried teams early.

That's a narrative that the younger crowd loves. The game hasn't changed that much in four years. Especially in the playoffs. The only reason Darryl was no longer succeeding in LA was that his shelf-life was done. He's the meanest Coach in the NHL.

You're still definitely avoiding the fact that Darryl had his team posting dominant possession numbers throughout his tenure with LA. People liken his style to heavy physicality because he drives his bottom six through a wall.

The top six he coached more towards establishing dominant possession through skilled puck support, then setting up for attacking plays once they've made enough room.

Sheng Peng on here did some really interesting post game play breakdowns for the Kings when he started out. I recommend checking them out for a better look at how Sutter's team handled establishing possession.

And saying 2012 was an easy year is a complete cop-out. The West was brutal and they went on the most dominant playoff run in the modern era. He had them prepared for heavy early series games and buried teams early.
- fry

If the game hasn't changed, would you mind telling me which teams are dominating right now? All of them feature unmatched speed and almost no grit (including the cup winners the last 2 years). Meanwhile, LA made it to playoffs off the back of one player and one goalie.

Fair enough, the top 6 did dominate puck possession. They also featured Carter, Kopitar, Toffoli, Pearson, etc. People act like skilled players forget how to play if they have a bad coach. If your argument is that Sutter has good systems then why wouldn't you like Peters who drove his team to the top of possession this year despite last-place goaltending and a weak bottom 6. Not to mention he's got a far cheaper contract.

In 2012, they "dominated" because Quick was absolutely lights out. Think flames were making it as far as they did without Kipper in '04? I sure don't, it's the same story. I understand the nostalgia but it's time to move on

If the game hasn't changed, would you mind telling me which teams are dominating right now? All of them feature unmatched speed and almost no grit (including the cup winners the last 2 years). Meanwhile, LA made it to playoffs off the back of one player and one goalie.

Fair enough, the top 6 did dominate puck possession. They also featured Carter, Kopitar, Toffoli, Pearson, etc. People act like skilled players forget how to play if they have a bad coach. If your argument is that Sutter has good systems then why wouldn't you like Peters who drove his team to the top of possession this year despite last-place goaltending and a weak bottom 6. Not to mention he's got a far cheaper contract.

In 2012, they "dominated" because Quick was absolutely lights out. Think flames were making it as far as they did without Kipper in '04? I sure don't, it's the same story. I understand the nostalgia but it's time to move on
- LittleBroDougie

Just know that what you're getting in Bill Peters is a brilliant tactical coach, but a terrible motivator. When the going gets tough, he doesn't adjust, and he spends entirely too much time worrying about shutting down the opposition instead of going out and trying to win the (frank)ing game.