I WANT to believe that the other GMs are starting to get a little smarter than Chic about over payment. All teams are in the same Cap situation.

If we think he's a (frank)ing tool for Larson trade, Drysaddle and McD deals.....then real GMs must.....no?
- underhill14

I find it hilarious Chia is apparently staying on for at least another year in Edmonton. What is wrong with that ownership group?!

I dunno. Seems to me that most of the big name FA's (especially ones having career years) usually get overpaid and end up hurting their teams. We've seen it happen year after year.

I just don't have confidence that the Carlson situation will be that different from what we've seen in the past.

Mike Komisarek, Jason Blake, David Clarkson, Jeff Finger, Brad Richards, Ilya "Mr Universe" Bryzgalov, Crystobal Huet, Ryane Clowe, Scott Gomez, and Ville Leino say hi.

Sad I have so many good examples of bad signings that were done by the Leafs. Almost half this list.

Man, MAF has been a beast in these playoffs so far.
- LeafGuy89

Apparently being judged as replaceable and not worth protecting from an expansion draft really motivated that guy.

Apparently being judged as replaceable and not worth protecting from an expansion draft really motivated that guy.
- Thecakeisalie

The whole team is in the exact same situation. Every team creates the "Us vs. Them" mentality but the Vega Knights believe it. Even though they had a great season, they're the Cinderella team this year.

If my lip reading skills are accurate, right after Reilly Smith was called for tripping Brown (and he went down pretty easily) McPhee was seen yelling "call that (frank)ing dive you (frank)ing c*ck sucker!!"

Martin has go to. His cap hit is unsustainable if the Leafs want any hope of fitting big name UFAs and keeping all their young guys too. 2.5 million for a 13th forward is just stupid. Might give the Leafs an outside chance at keeping JVR or signing Evander Kane, if he tests the UFA market. Might have to trade Hyman too.

The idea of signing Carlson isn't one I like because he's having a career year playing on an offense first team. He's going to get overpaid and the odds of him living up to that contract are slim to none. That being said, if the Leafs do sign Carlson, Gardiner has to get traded. Having both of them, with Gardiner as a pending UFA, will not work. Best to get a return for Gardiner and use his cap hit to pay (overpay) for Carlson. But Carlson would still not be the best signing nor am I convinced he's a legit #1 D that the Leafs need to stabilize their defensive game.

As for Tavares, it's been said to death, Toronto can't offer him the most money. They literally have to get lucky that Tavares has it in his head that he wants to make less money and play in the pressure cooker of Toronto. I wouldn't bank on it at all. If Tavares costs 12 million dollars, and JVR and Kane cost 12 million, what would you rather have?
- Unholy_Goalie

You don’t want to sign Carlson but you want to sign Evander Kane....

I find it hilarious Chia is apparently staying on for at least another year in Edmonton. What is wrong with that ownership group?!

I dunno. Seems to me that most of the big name FA's (especially ones having career years) usually get overpaid and end up hurting their teams. We've seen it happen year after year.

I just don't have confidence that the Carlson situation will be that different from what we've seen in the past.

Mike Komisarek, Jason Blake, David Clarkson, Jeff Finger, Brad Richards, Ilya "Mr Universe" Bryzgalov, Crystobal Huet, Ryane Clowe, Scott Gomez, and Ville Leino say hi.

Sad I have so many good examples of bad signings that were done by the Leafs. Almost half this list.
- Thecakeisalie

Carlson may not recreate this years offense but he was due a monster pay day no matter what he posted this year.

His numbers since 2010 are more or less identical to Doughty’s. A big minute number 1 since he was 20.

Don't forget my hat (frank)face!
- .OHOH.

Oh look, the real .HOHO.is here.

Carlson may not recreate this years offense but he was due a monster pay day no matter what he posted this year.

His numbers since 2010 are more or less identical to Doughty’s. A big minute number 1 since he was 20.
- Blazed

serious question - who has Carlson played the most minutes with over his career - I'm asssuming Alzner up to this year.

trading hyman?
that's such a stupid suggestion.
why would leafs trade the player that is going the be the team's captain next season?
don't do drugs if you can't cope with the effects!

trading hyman?
that's such a stupid suggestion.
why would leafs trade the player that is going the be the team's captain next season?
don't do drugs if you can't cope with the effects!
- MaximusAurelius

This is a troll right? Still not as much of a troll as trading Hyman to sign Kane lol

You don’t want to sign Carlson but you want to sign Evander Kane....
- Blazed

30 goals, entering his prime, plays tough, legit #1 LW to play with Matthews. I'd take him over JVR and he probably comes cheaper than Carlson.

But signing Carlson, as long as they trade Gardiner, is possible too but still not sold he's the legit #1 D the Leafs need to make them better defensively. Don't think he can live up to the contract he's probably going to get.

Carlson may not recreate this years offense but he was due a monster pay day no matter what he posted this year.

His numbers since 2010 are more or less identical to Doughty’s. A big minute number 1 since he was 20.
- Blazed

serious question - who has Carlson played the most minutes with over his career - I'm asssuming Alzner up to this year.
- BorjeFan4Ever

A lot of Alzner but he's seen a lot of partners. Orpik, Smitdt and Orlov.

- Unholy_Goalie

_______Player A____Player B (same age)

10-11 gp 76 pts 40__ gp 82 pts 37
11-12 gp 77 pts 36__ gp 82 pts 32
12-13 gp 48 pts 22__ gp 48 pts 22
13-14 gp 78 pts 37__ gp 82 pts 37
14-15 gp 82 pts 46__ gp 82 pts 45
15-16 gp 82 pts 51__ gp 56 pts 39
16-17 gp 82 pts 44__ gp 72 pts 37
17-18 gp 82 pts 60__ gp 82 pts 68

Do you enjoy being wrong?

_______Player A____Player B (same age)

10-11 gp 76 pts 40__ gp 82 pts 37
11-12 gp 77 pts 36__ gp 82 pts 32
12-13 gp 48 pts 22__ gp 48 pts 22
13-14 gp 78 pts 37__ gp 82 pts 37
14-15 gp 82 pts 46__ gp 82 pts 45
15-16 gp 82 pts 51__ gp 56 pts 39
16-17 gp 82 pts 44__ gp 72 pts 37
17-18 gp 82 pts 60__ gp 82 pts 68

Do you enjoy being wrong?
- Blazed

"Big minute #1 since he was 20".

Prove it.

One guy plays with arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time in a free wheeling offensive system. Another guy plays with one of the lowest scoring, defense first teams and has two Stanley Cup rings.

But lie to yourself as much as you wish.

I honestly can't see a scenario whereby the Leafs keep JVR. After this year they'll clear up a bit of cap space in Bozak, Komo and JVR, allowing them to really lock up the big three almost immediately.

I can't see us fixing the blueline anyway other than internally through guys in the draft, Lilljegren, Eemeli Rasanen and obviously Dermott was a nice touch, but can always experience a decline in his first full season.

If the Leafs are smart they leave a big cap space going forward, and if they're lucky maybe they get Kovalchuk for cheap on a 2-year deal and don't handcuff themselves

"Big minute #1 since he was 20".

Prove it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Numbers are pretty hard to differentiate aren't they? You could almost say nearly identical.

Washington's record since Carslon was 20 (2010)

10-11 1st in division JC TOI 22:38min
11-12 2nd in division JC TOI 21:51min
12-13 1st in division JC TOI 23:01min
13-14 5th in division JC TOI 24:30min
14-15 2nd in division JC TOI 23:04min
15-16 1st in division JC TOI 23:42min
16-17 1st in division JC TOI 22:42min
17-18 1st in division JC TOI 24:46min

"Big minute #1 since he was 20".

Prove it.

One guy plays with arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time in a free wheeling offensive system. Another guy plays with one of the lowest scoring, defense first teams and has two Stanley Cup rings.

But lie to yourself as much as you wish.
- Unholy_Goalie

Never said Carlson was better than Doughty. The fact that compare pretty favorably just highlights how he is the best Dman to hit the market in some time. Highlights how little you know what you're talking about too.

I honestly can't see a scenario whereby the Leafs keep JVR. After this year they'll clear up a bit of cap space in Bozak, Komo and JVR, allowing them to really lock up the big three almost immediately.

I can't see us fixing the blueline anyway other than internally through guys in the draft, Lilljegren, Eemeli Rasanen and obviously Dermott was a nice touch, but can always experience a decline in his first full season.

If the Leafs are smart they leave a big cap space going forward, and if they're lucky maybe they get Kovalchuk for cheap on a 2-year deal and don't handcuff themselves
- AngryWhiteMale

(frank) Kovalchuk and his 35 year old ass. Already have Marleau, which is one old guy too many as it is.

Numbers are pretty hard to differentiate aren't they? You could almost say nearly identical.

Washington's record since Carslon was 20 (2010)

10-11 1st in division JC TOI 22:38min
11-12 2nd in division JC TOI 21:51min
12-13 1st in division JC TOI 23:01min
13-14 5th in division JC TOI 24:30min
14-15 2nd in division JC TOI 23:04min
15-16 1st in division JC TOI 23:42min
16-17 1st in division JC TOI 22:42min
17-18 1st in division JC TOI 24:46min
- Blazed

You still didn't prove he was the #1 D since he was 20. Pretty sure Mike Green was #1 in ice time for awhile and he went to poop offensively when he left the Capitals. I wonder why?

The Capitals place in the division is an adorable false equivalency though. There's no way you can prove that they he's the reason for that.

Martin has go to. His cap hit is unsustainable if the Leafs want any hope of fitting big name UFAs and keeping all their young guys too. 2.5 million for a 13th forward is just stupid. Might give the Leafs an outside chance at keeping JVR or signing Evander Kane, if he tests the UFA market. Might have to trade Hyman too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Martin does need to go. No question.

JVR doesn't stay, and c'mon man you know Kane has bad-news-bears written all over him.

The idea of signing Carlson isn't one I like because he's having a career year playing on an offense first team. He's going to get overpaid and the odds of him living up to that contract are slim to none. That being said, if the Leafs do sign Carlson, Gardiner has to get traded. Having both of them, with Gardiner as a pending UFA, will not work. Best to get a return for Gardiner and use his cap hit to pay (overpay) for Carlson. But Carlson would still not be the best signing nor am I convinced he's a legit #1 D that the Leafs need to stabilize their defensive game.
- Unholy_Goalie

I have a feeling Gardiner gets traded anyway. He just isn't the Dman we need despite his obvious upside, and he'll cost too much.

As for Tavares, it's been said to death, Toronto can't offer him the most money. They literally have to get lucky that Tavares has it in his head that he wants to make less money and play in the pressure cooker of Toronto. I wouldn't bank on it at all. If Tavares costs 12 million dollars, and JVR and Kane cost 12 million, what would you rather have?
- Unholy_Goalie

Tavares would be surrounded by enough talent it wouldn't be the end of the world like when Phil came and was supposed to be a franchise player when he just wanted to fill the net on ice and his stomach off the ice. Toronto can in fact offer him close enough to the most that if he wants to be here, he can.

(frank) Kovalchuk and his 35 year old ass. Already have Marleau, which is one old guy too many as it is.
- Unholy_Goalie

Meh Kovo for two years isn't the end of the world. Him and Marleau come off the books at the same time.

Marleau is good as long as he's healthy and isn't shouldering a young man's burden

Never said Carlson was better than Doughty. The fact that compare pretty favorably just highlights how he is the best Dman to hit the market in some time. Highlights how little you know what you're talking about too.
- Blazed

You said his numbers and then put up offensive numbers which is hilarious because offense is half the story and you failed to realize that Carlson's numbers are inflated given the system he plays in and the players he plays with compared to Doughty. So those "comparable" numbers are surface deep and don't prove much, especially defensively which is what the Leafs actually need more than anything. Defense.

Meh Kovo for two years isn't the end of the world. Him and Marleau come off the books at the same time.

Marleau is good as long as he's healthy and isn't shouldering a young man's burden
- AngryWhiteMale

Much better players to spend money on, both in the system and as UFAs. Old guys who want pay days can go (frank) themselves. If he wants to play for under 4 million bucks, sure, otherwise, bye.

You still didn't prove he was the #1 D since he was 20. Pretty sure Mike Green was #1 in ice time for awhile and he went to poop offensively when he left the Capitals. I wonder why?

The Capitals place in the division is an adorable false equivalency though. There's no way you can prove that they he's the reason for that.
- Unholy_Goalie

So Carlson has been playing 22-23+ minutes a night for an elite team since he was 20 with numbers nearly identical to Doughty but that's not number 1 defensemen to you.