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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 18 @ 11:11 PM ET
Starting doesn't make a tender good. Talbot is and would be a dumpster fire here.
- Doctor DOOM


Cam Talbot was very good for EDM last season. I m not suggesting even trading for Talbot. What I am suggesting is exploring the goalie trade market and see if a deal can be made similar to those examples I wrote earlier. Maybe it can't even be done, but it needs to be looked into. Does anyone expect Elliott to play 50 games? Neuvy 32 games? I think Lyon is an AHL goalie and Stollie probably the same. So a good chance they 'll need to rely on Hart at some point because of injury and mediocre play. Nothing wrong with trying to upgrade this summer if possible.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Apr 18 @ 11:11 PM ET
Taveras will not sign a 1-2 year deal.
- MJL


You never know....there’s advantages to doing a short term deal knowing you don’t have to deal with front or back loaded contracts and the likelihood you’ll get a little more per year than you would with a longer term deal. Plus, if you or your agent is smart, you can time your FA to hit the market again at an optimal time to maximize your leverage.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Apr 18 @ 11:17 PM ET
Hakstol hasn't taken heat for playing the veterans? Coaches don't make roster decisions based on what they can or can't justify to anyone. The worst thing you can do is hand ice time to a young player that hasn't earned it.
- MJL


"Earned" is a subjective term. Did Gostisbehere earn his way into the Flyers lineup? No. He was called up because the Flyers were shorthanded and needed a defenseman. Once he was in the NHL he proved that he was one of the Flyers 6 best defensemen but barring that injury him and his 46 points in 64 games would've spent the year in the AHL. Would another year in the AHL helped or hurt him?

Every team has AHL players who never get a chance in the NHL that another team plucks for nothing. Going back a number of years a famous ex-Flyer, a young Patrick Sharp was never going to play for the Flyers because Ken Hitchcock liked veterans.

Also, Bobrovsky. He had a .915 sv% as a rookie starter during the regular season after Leighton went down in presason and was promptly replaced with head case Bryzgalov who I believe the Flyers are still paying well into retirement. He would not have played that year if Leighton had not gotten hurt despite a fantastic preseason and then even after exceeding all expectations got kicked to the curb.

Coaches make line up decisions for a variety of reasons, there's no way you can say that all coaches in the NHL aren't more comfortable with veterans making mistakes than rookies.

Every coach and GM has their preferences and prejudices. For the Flyers it used to be size over skill, veterans over youth. If you weren't big enough you weren't valued and were traded away or not labelled a career AHLer. Drafting players 4th line goons in the 3rd round because .. size. If you scored 30 goals 5 years ago it didn't matter matter you can only score 15 now and don't backcheck, you've proved yourself in this league.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 18 @ 11:28 PM ET
They already have Elliott and Neuvirth under contract. Very good chance at least one of them returns next season.
- MJL


If they believe Carter hart is the real deal, we’ll be watching stop gap goalies until he gets here
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 19 @ 12:21 AM ET
you guys are (frank)ing idiots hahahahahahahaha
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 7:00 AM ET
You never know....there’s advantages to doing a short term deal knowing you don’t have to deal with front or back loaded contracts and the likelihood you’ll get a little more per year than you would with a longer term deal. Plus, if you or your agent is smart, you can time your FA to hit the market again at an optimal time to maximize your leverage.
- Sublime55


There is no chance whatsoever that Taveras signs a one or two year deal. None.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 19 @ 7:26 AM ET
MJL was just on the FAN590 said it ways always his dream to have a great coach like Hakstol
- 2Real

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 19 @ 10:44 AM ET
"Earned" is a subjective term. Did Gostisbehere earn his way into the Flyers lineup? No. He was called up because the Flyers were shorthanded and needed a defenseman. Once he was in the NHL he proved that he was one of the Flyers 6 best defensemen but barring that injury him and his 46 points in 64 games would've spent the year in the AHL. Would another year in the AHL helped or hurt him?


- Flyers_01


You don't think Gostisbehere's play in the AHL to that point made him a candidate for call up? So yes, he did earn his way. Secondly, the Streit injury just created the opportunity. Gostisbehere made the best of the opportunity. Lastly, in the 16/17 season, Gostisbehere's play deteriorated to the point where he was taken out of the lineup which proves that ice time for a young player is not a given.


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