Olli Maatta would look pretty damn good on the blue line right now, that's for damn sure.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nah Anderson and Kapanen had strong games.

Olli Maatta would look pretty damn good on the blue line right now, that's for damn sure.
- Unholy_Goalie

No he wouldnt

Oh ok simple now I get it, so let me paraphrase. You're upset on tonight's big win that they didn't get more than a 1st and two prospects 3 years ago for Kessel.

Crystal clear.
- Blazed

Well duh?

It's possible we could've gotten more assets for him if we'd waited. Its also possible in that toxic atmosphere he would've had another bad year and his stock would've decreased even more.

As for Andersen, maybe we could've gotten him some other way, but we didn't have to, cause we got the assets from the Kessel trade.

Maybe. JVR did have a very pretty contract. I think it wasn't just about the assets, it was also about culture and public sentiment even. They (probably unfairly) blamed Kessel for their losing ways, and they knew most of the media and fans had turned Toronto into a toxic atmosphere for Phil (thanks Simmons you useless poop).

Would we still have finished last? Probably?
- Thecakeisalie

So Jvr and Bozak had just as much to do with their culture, and they should have been gone first.
You don't trade your best player for scraps.

So Jvr and Bozak had just as much to do with their culture, and they should have been gone first.
You don't trade your best player for scraps.
- bobbyisno1

I'm not sure I really want to indulge in this lovely debate anymore but what did you expect? What was the last kings ransom for a player a team wanted to move on from.

Kapanen is a first round pick. They got a first round pick with him. Hell Scott Harrinton was a Canadian WJC 2nd round pick the sort of thing UG has dreams about.

So Jvr and Bozak had just as much to do with their culture, and they should have been gone first.
You don't trade your best player for scraps.
- bobbyisno1

Why because it worked out so poorly for the leafs?

I'm not sure I really want to indulge in this lovely debate anymore but what did you expect? What was the last kings ransom for a player a team wanted to move on from.

Kapanen is a first round pick. They got a first round pick with him. Hell Scott Harrinton was a Canadian WJC 2nd round pick the sort of thing UG has dreams about.
- Blazed

When the leafs get a 2nd round pick in a trade it's a Scott Harrington. When the leafs trade a 2nd round pick it's a bergeron.

Nah Anderson and Kapanen had strong games.
- Blazed

No reason they wouldn't be there too.

I'm not sure I really want to indulge in this lovely debate anymore but what did you expect? What was the last kings ransom for a player a team wanted to move on from.

Kapanen is a first round pick. They got a first round pick with him. Hell Scott Harrinton was a Canadian WJC 2nd round pick the sort of thing UG has dreams about.
- Blazed

What i expected was them to move on from than mentality and trade all 3, not just Kessel.
I would have traded him last.

No reason they wouldn't be there too.
- Unholy_Goalie

How were they getting kapanen?

Let me guess the 31st pick?

No reason they wouldn't be there too.
- Unholy_Goalie

How can the have Kapanen and Maata in your strange hypothetical? So they should've demanded Maata and Kapanen then that's the new stance?

Then they would have used other assets on Anderson and wouldn't have those now. Simple concept.

Why because it worked out so poorly for the leafs?
- HealthyScratch6

You honestly think it couldn't have worked out better?

How were they getting kapanen?
- HealthyScratch6

Kessel.

Kessel.
- Unholy_Goalie

Kessel.
- Unholy_Goalie

So you would of been happy with Matta and kapanen as a return? And you wouldn't be in here complaining about only getting a 4th line winger and bottom pairing defenceman for out best player?

How can the have Kapanen and Maata in your strange hypothetical? So they should've demanded Maata and Kapanen then that's the new stance?
- Blazed

That should have been approximate price tag and if they had to rebuild his value by keeping him another year to put up better numbers, so be it. A top-nine forward and a defensive defender wouldn't have been the most astronomical price imaginable for a 30+ goal, 70+ point winger especially when he turns into a 90 point player beside Crosby and Malkin.

You honestly think it couldn't have worked out better?
- bobbyisno1

Better than doing a perfect tank, getting the one thing Leafs Nation has coveted since time immemorial, a big two way scoring center, then making back to back playoff appearances the second of which set regular season franchise records?

No, colour me skeptical, I don't think it could've gone better.

What i expected was them to move on from than mentality and trade all 3, not just Kessel.
I would have traded him last.
- bobbyisno1

Honestly, I expected all three to be traded.
I was underwhelmed by the Kessel trade when it happened, although the retained salary bugged me as much as anything. Could we have gotten more? Maybe? I think Lou would've gotten more if he'd been GM already. Oh well, we got what we got, and we've got a pretty good team now.

That should have been approximate price tag and if they had to rebuild his value by keeping him another year to put up better numbers, so be it. A top-nine forward and a defensive defender wouldn't have been the most astronomical price imaginable for a 30+ goal, 70+ point winger especially when he turns into a 90 points player beside Crosby and Malkin.
- Unholy_Goalie

This post is officially how I know you're insane. Revisionist history much?

First Maata, now Maata and Kapanen.

Honestly, I expected all three to be traded.
I was underwhelmed by the Kessel trade when it happened, although the retained salary bugged me as much as anything. Could we have gotten more? Maybe? I think Lou would've gotten more if he'd been GM already. Oh well, we got what we got, and we've got a pretty good team now.
- Thecakeisalie

I think the salary retention was the disappointing part and it showed a bit of inexperience Rutherford vs Dubas.

At the time though the hockey world was screaming how overpaid Phil was at 8m.

This post is officially how I know you're insane. Revisionist history much?

First Maata, now Maata and Kapanen.
- Blazed

Getting good value for a good player. Yeah, that's insane. Totally bat-poop!

Honestly, I expected all three to be traded.
I was underwhelmed by the Kessel trade when it happened, although the retained salary bugged me as much as anything. Could we have gotten more? Maybe? I think Lou would've gotten more if he'd been GM already. Oh well, we got what we got, and we've got a pretty good team now.
- Thecakeisalie

Dubas did get worked in the fine print of the deal by a veteran gm. What I didn't like about the deal was that the 1st was conditional and it was possible that they never got a first at all.

Better than doing a perfect tank, getting the one thing Leafs Nation has coveted since time immemorial, a big two way scoring center, then making back to back playoff appearances the second of which set regular season franchise records?

No, colour me skeptical, I don't think it could've gone better.
- Blazed

So trading JVR at the same time for picks and prospects and Bozak also, 3 years ago wouldn't have made this team better?
And next year when they're gone the Leafs have nothing.

Getting good value for a good player. Yeah, that's insane. Totally bat-poop!


- Unholy_Goalie

I think Pittsburgh should've traded Malkin for Kessel.

Dubas is a fool for not getting good value.

How on Earth does a tank year re-build Kessel's value anyways?

So trading JVR at the same time for picks and prospects and Bozak also, 3 years ago wouldn't have made this team better?
And next year when they're gone the Leafs have nothing.
- bobbyisno1

What happens next year with those two has literally nothing to do with what happened 3 years ago.

You have no idea if it would've been better or worse.

Maybe we don't make the post-season either year without them. Purely hypothetical at this point.