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TandA4Flames
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.10.2010

Apr 16 @ 11:11 PM ET
Nothing wrong with that, but what would be the solution? It's easy to point out a problem. It's hard to really figure out what to do though.

I feel like we're at the point where we're gonna have to deal with the fact that some fan faves might need to be moved to get this team where it should be (ie. Benny, Brodie)

- LittleBroDougie

As much as I love speculating on trade proposals, I don't always care to post them as so many things are subjective and people see things differently.
However, being as how this is all we have left this year;
i would look at moving Brodie to WAS for Tom Wilson a 1st and maybe more. WAS is way up against the cap and are about to lose a top puck moving D. Brodie can log big ice and is adept at transitioning the puck to those skilled fwd's. As a bonus i would suggest flipping Brouwer and his 4.5 mil x 2 years for Orpik and his 1 year @ $5.5 mil. Wilson ads size, physicality and secondary scoring. I would look at placing him in Frolik's spot or you could try him with Mony and Johnny. Also someone on here suggested we swap Brodie for Holtby if they decide to go with Grubauer. I don't mind that but its the right side I think we really need to address but maybe more can be added to take Holtby's $6.1 mil
TOR is also another team up against it, although they'll lose some contracts this summer. But currently Kapanen is being used on the 4th line and is behind Marner and Nylander. Its been reported they need right shot D and maybe some experienced wingers. What about Stone and Frolik for Kapanen and a 2nd and 3rd or something along those lines? Kap has skill and speed as well as a great shot and play making ability. He could look good beside Bennett and Jankowski.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Wilson
Bennett-Jankowski-Kapanen
Mangiapane-Shore-Foo
Lazar
Each line has some skill, speed, scoring punch, size and physicality/agitating qualities.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Apr 16 @ 11:45 PM ET
As much as I love speculating on trade proposals, I don't always care to post them as so many things are subjective and people see things differently.
However, being as how this is all we have left this year;
i would look at moving Brodie to WAS for Tom Wilson a 1st and maybe more. WAS is way up against the cap and are about to lose a top puck moving D. Brodie can log big ice and is adept at transitioning the puck to those skilled fwd's. As a bonus i would suggest flipping Brouwer and his 4.5 mil x 2 years for Orpik and his 1 year @ $5.5 mil. Wilson ads size, physicality and secondary scoring. I would look at placing him in Frolik's spot or you could try him with Mony and Johnny. Also someone on here suggested we swap Brodie for Holtby if they decide to go with Grubauer. I don't mind that but its the right side I think we really need to address but maybe more can be added to take Holtby's $6.1 mil
TOR is also another team up against it, although they'll lose some contracts this summer. But currently Kapanen is being used on the 4th line and is behind Marner and Nylander. Its been reported they need right shot D and maybe some experienced wingers. What about Stone and Frolik for Kapanen and a 2nd and 3rd or something along those lines? Kap has skill and speed as well as a great shot and play making ability. He could look good beside Bennett and Jankowski.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Wilson
Bennett-Jankowski-Kapanen
Mangiapane-Shore-Foo
Lazar
Each line has some skill, speed, scoring punch, size and physicality/agitating qualities.

- TandA4Flames


Leafs don't have real cap issues until the season after next. There's a ton of money coming off the books end of this season. I also don't think they move anyone of note or intriguing potential wise unless it's for a top 2 dman. They've held off from desperate trades to this point. They do have a gluten of backup caliber goalies, though.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 17 @ 12:22 AM ET
Why more valuable? Because Anderson has produced at a higher level from a pure stats perspective in a similar role.

Why more consistent? Because he didn't disappear for a large chunk of the season despite not getting 1st line minutes with an elite sniper and playmaker. He's had a reduced role and produced regularly.

Not a knock on Ferly, he's just not made for the 1st line. Bennett needs a change of scenery before it's too late for him.

- LittleBroDougie


Pretty much all of that is factually false. Anderson is getting top line minutes. He plays with Dubois and Panarin, and when he wasn't on that line he was with Dubinsky and Jenner. He averaged 18 mins a game this year. Ferland was at 15 and Bennett was at 14.

Anderson had a decent year playing with good players, but his numbers still don't blow Bennett's out of the water. In fact, Bennett's best year was better than Anderson's. Bennett is also younger and still has more of an upside. Sure you can argue that being a right-hand shot is important, but if the Flames are trading Bennett for Anderson, they better not be throwing in any additional useful pieces.

Ferland has also consistently been better every year he's played, and his problems down the stretch this year were injury related. He was still fairly consistent. His ppg per quarter were .67, .48, .60, .39. That's not awful, especially if you're comparing him to Anderson whose numbers were .56, .64, .24, .33. I'm not saying Anderson isn't a useful player, but I can't see how you can make the argument he's a better fit for the Flames' first line than Ferland.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 17 @ 5:24 AM ET
Why would the Flames give him away for way less than what a 4th overall would normally get. Kid is 21 years old. I recall Couterier struggled for awhile & I didn't see Flyers bailing on him for bottom price. Talent is there, some take a little longer to translate to the NHL. In all fairness, Bennett has had mainly anchors to carry around on that 3rd line, Brouwer, Hathaway. It's hammered his confidence, Janko may be a future line mate with him but he was a raw rookie last year. Maybe a new coach will figure out who our top 6 forwards should be & get them to click.
- Kevin R


Yakupov = 350gp - 62g - 74a -136p - .389ppg
Bennett = 241gp - 42g - 47a - 89p - .369ppg

Both put in to a 3rd line role by inept coaches. Neither lived up to the draft hype. Oilers traded Yakupov after his 4th season. Bennett is entering his 4th season. Yakupov was a 1st overall and still only barely 22 years old when traded. Bennett was a 4th overall and will be 21 1/4 when season starts. Yakupov fetched a 3rd rd pick from a team expected to compete + Zach Pochiro (WHO?). I wouldn't expect any better for Bennett at this time. They're both busts of picks. Like it or not but Bennett ain't fetching the flames much. Much like Yakupov didn't fetch the Oilers much. Hang on to Bennett 1 more year and expect a 3rd + a former 7th rd pick with possible upside. Not to mention Nail was in the same contract situation with 1 year left @2.5 left when dealt and Bennett has 1 year left at 1.95. Accept it or not.... extremely comparable players.
Chucky
Calgary Flames
Location: DUNCAN, BC
Joined: 06.14.2016

Apr 17 @ 7:48 AM ET
The question the Flames need to address regarding goaltending is where is the failure. They have consistently brought in European and drafted top goaltenders but are not getting any NHL quality graduates.

Is the problem that scouting is not giving good evaluations or is it that the coaching staff through the system is not helping these guys develop to the point where they can play in the NHL?

It does not seem to matter the style that the prospect plays they don't seem to progress to the NHL level, what is the problem that needs to be addressed?
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Apr 17 @ 9:11 AM ET
Yakupov = 350gp - 62g - 74a -136p - .389ppg
Bennett = 241gp - 42g - 47a - 89p - .369ppg

Both put in to a 3rd line role by inept coaches. Neither lived up to the draft hype. Oilers traded Yakupov after his 4th season. Bennett is entering his 4th season. Yakupov was a 1st overall and still only barely 22 years old when traded. Bennett was a 4th overall and will be 21 1/4 when season starts. Yakupov fetched a 3rd rd pick from a team expected to compete + Zach Pochiro (WHO?). I wouldn't expect any better for Bennett at this time. They're both busts of picks. Like it or not but Bennett ain't fetching the flames much. Much like Yakupov didn't fetch the Oilers much. Hang on to Bennett 1 more year and expect a 3rd + a former 7th rd pick with possible upside. Not to mention Nail was in the same contract situation with 1 year left @2.5 left when dealt and Bennett has 1 year left at 1.95. Accept it or not.... extremely comparable players.

- wreckage


A third rounder is not worth much. If that's the return, the flames should just keep Bennett and see what happens. Don't fall into the trap and make Chia like bad decisions.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Apr 17 @ 10:00 AM ET
I think we all could tell Ferland was injured too towards the end of the year. We may never know, but he was banged up no doubt.

Regardless of that, he's still not fully developed, last year people were saying he was no better than a 4th liner, then look at him this year. It's reasonable to believe he will take another step forward next year. Clearly those 3 have chemistry as well.

I am off the Frolik train. We need someone on the 2RW that is physical, and hard to play against, ala Tom Wilson. I like Frolik but the top 6 needs to be tougher. Depending on who they could get, I would be looking for a top 6 RW and either play him with MT and MB or you could put him on the top line and move Ferland to the second line depending on how things shake out.

I would look for another RW addition to play with MJ and SB too. Again, physical and strong with speed. This would bump Frolik down to the 4th line, but I am OK with that. That's what depth looks like.

dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Apr 17 @ 11:31 AM ET
I think we all could tell Ferland was injured too towards the end of the year. We may never know, but he was banged up no doubt.

Regardless of that, he's still not fully developed, last year people were saying he was no better than a 4th liner, then look at him this year. It's reasonable to believe he will take another step forward next year. Clearly those 3 have chemistry as well.

I am off the Frolik train. We need someone on the 2RW that is physical, and hard to play against, ala Tom Wilson. I like Frolik but the top 6 needs to be tougher. Depending on who they could get, I would be looking for a top 6 RW and either play him with MT and MB or you could put him on the top line and move Ferland to the second line depending on how things shake out.

I would look for another RW addition to play with MJ and SB too. Again, physical and strong with speed. This would bump Frolik down to the 4th line, but I am OK with that. That's what depth looks like.

- The-O-G


If you think Wilson should be in the top 6 over Frolik, you're (frank)in nuts. Wilson took 20-30 more shots this year than his usual 90-100, and he also shot above his average shot %. At most you can expect 7-10 goals /25-30 points from him. He'd be fine on the 4th line, that's it, and he definitely should not be ahead of Frolik.

They do need a top 6rw, i agree their. Someone who can bump Frolik to the 3rd, and who can play on the top line if needed. It's not unreasonable to think Ferland can take a step forward, but you can't count on it.

There's plenty of right shot RFA's this summer. I'd prefer to send a package of Brodie +, but if the return is good I'm not against trading Gio. If either of them go, I liked your idea of signing Ian Cole. Not an offensive guy, but a second pair of him and Hamonic would be quite intimidating.

2018 right shot RFA's:
Centers are Elias Lindholm, Willy Nylander, and Sam Reinhart. RW are Martin Frk, and Brian Rust.

2019: Brayden Point, Travis Konecny, Mitch Marner, Josh Ho-Sang, and Kasperi Kapanen.

If Tampa doesn't go all the way, I think a Gio for Point trade would be possible. They have a tonne of scoring, and Gio would give them the best to pair in the league, and help push their depth where it should be.

JG/SM/MFe or BP
MT/MB/MFe or BP
SB/MJ/MFr
CL/NS/TW

TJB/DH
IC/TH
BK/RA

Or I still like ho-sang. Maybe a Brodie package for him. Brouwer, and Stone gone for whatever you get.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Apr 17 @ 4:06 PM ET
As much as I love speculating on trade proposals, I don't always care to post them as so many things are subjective and people see things differently.
However, being as how this is all we have left this year;
i would look at moving Brodie to WAS for Tom Wilson a 1st and maybe more. WAS is way up against the cap and are about to lose a top puck moving D. Brodie can log big ice and is adept at transitioning the puck to those skilled fwd's. As a bonus i would suggest flipping Brouwer and his 4.5 mil x 2 years for Orpik and his 1 year @ $5.5 mil. Wilson ads size, physicality and secondary scoring. I would look at placing him in Frolik's spot or you could try him with Mony and Johnny. Also someone on here suggested we swap Brodie for Holtby if they decide to go with Grubauer. I don't mind that but its the right side I think we really need to address but maybe more can be added to take Holtby's $6.1 mil
TOR is also another team up against it, although they'll lose some contracts this summer. But currently Kapanen is being used on the 4th line and is behind Marner and Nylander. Its been reported they need right shot D and maybe some experienced wingers. What about Stone and Frolik for Kapanen and a 2nd and 3rd or something along those lines? Kap has skill and speed as well as a great shot and play making ability. He could look good beside Bennett and Jankowski.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Wilson
Bennett-Jankowski-Kapanen
Mangiapane-Shore-Foo
Lazar
Each line has some skill, speed, scoring punch, size and physicality/agitating qualities.

- TandA4Flames


I wouldn't mind seeing Kapanen. Watching the playoffs though, he reminds me of Virtanen. Lots of skill and speed but no finish. I believe he's had 3-4 partial breakaways this series and missed all.

The Wilson trade seems a bit unrealistic although I do feel as though WSH needs a Brodie as much as anyone else out there so they could be desperate.

Overall I don't mind this lineup at all.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Apr 17 @ 4:11 PM ET
Pretty much all of that is factually false. Anderson is getting top line minutes. He plays with Dubois and Panarin, and when he wasn't on that line he was with Dubinsky and Jenner. He averaged 18 mins a game this year. Ferland was at 15 and Bennett was at 14.

Anderson had a decent year playing with good players, but his numbers still don't blow Bennett's out of the water. In fact, Bennett's best year was better than Anderson's. Bennett is also younger and still has more of an upside. Sure you can argue that being a right-hand shot is important, but if the Flames are trading Bennett for Anderson, they better not be throwing in any additional useful pieces.

Ferland has also consistently been better every year he's played, and his problems down the stretch this year were injury related. He was still fairly consistent. His ppg per quarter were .67, .48, .60, .39. That's not awful, especially if you're comparing him to Anderson whose numbers were .56, .64, .24, .33. I'm not saying Anderson isn't a useful player, but I can't see how you can make the argument he's a better fit for the Flames' first line than Ferland.

- Hunkulese


That's fine by me, but in a realistic world, they're not going to give up one-for-one and I believe Anderson will be better at the end of their respective careers.

As for Ferly, how do you know it was injury related? He had already gone cold way before he sat out a game. Again, I'm not saying he's necessarily a better player than him but I'd much rather have Anderson in that top line role even if it means Bennett is gone.
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