is she a squirter?
- homiedclown

Yes let me ask the Disney Employer that

Sure people say replace ROR and his 60 points is easy, replace Kane and his 60 points is easy, it is ? then why can't we do it and succeed?
- SABRES 89

I can assure you, I'm not saying ROR's 60 points are easy to replace.

I'm a military guy, so when I think leadership, these are the terms I think in.

If I were in combat experiencing losses, and my SGT says, "I've lost my love for the Army and we've just become OK with losing soldiers." That SGT gets busted to PVT because he has no position in leadership, because that's not leadership.

According to ROR and his father, citing the Vogl's piece, "ROR is a superstar not for skill, but for character." Saying you gave up when stuff got tough is not character.

Yes, losing takes its toll that's why I can move past this. I can't imagine the stress he's under.

But if he comes in here and "checks out" like he did this year again we have a problem. He does need more help and effort from others though, I"ll concede that.

But adversity reveals character.
- gcomella34

Thanks for your service because of folks like you we can go on with our ever day life, some people don't understand that, you know the ones that KNEEL.

Now onto ROR, i'm shocked more players on this team haven't " checked out" this crap has gone on long enough with this organization. Botterill has his hands full but I do see your point.

He turned it on in January when the season was long over. How about the 40 games of Sam being useless?
- GilPerreault11

I'm in the boat that you can't just say he was useless for 40 but disregard what he did in the other 40.

Just like you can't say he was amazing since January and disregard what he did October-December.

Do I think he could keep up his pace since January all season long? No probably not, just like many on here (including me) said he wouldn't be in a season long funk like he was the first half of the season.

I think he is a 60-65 point player, not a 25 point player like he was on pace for the first half of the year and not a 85 point player he was on pace for the second half of the year.

He turned it on in January when the season was long over. How about the 40 games of Sam being useless?
- GilPerreault11

again, there was 12 wingers playing and the kid was tied for 15th in goal scoring for all the right wingers in the NHL

kid just turned 22 and scored 2 less goals than Patty Kane this year


there is a huge list of issues with this roster

he is the least of our worries


we can't score for sh!t and lets trash the 22 year old who led this team in goals


based on that logic, lets trash and trade eichel and let casey take over the number 1 center this fall


and then lets trash botts and get a new gm


and then lets move guhle because he didn't score points when he came up




no goal scoring from left wingers

okposo played like a piece of sh!t

that is your goal scoring issues for the top 6


not reinhart
not eichel
not ror


god damn it, you made me justify keeping ror

Thanks for your service because of folks like you we can go on with our ever day life, some people don't understand that, you know the ones that KNEEL.

Now onto ROR, i'm shocked more players on this team haven't " checked out" this crap has gone on long enough with this organization. Botterill has his hands full but I do see your point.
- SABRES 89

Please note that I said "If I were in combat..." never was, not into stolen valor. Want to make sure to specify that as there are plenty on this board that have, they're the people you thank.

I think more players have checked out, that's PART of the problem.

Side note: Was looking in the comments in the Vogl piece, there were people saying guys like ROR need to go so we can get guys like Carrier "that we need".

Yeah I mean, the one thing this team needs is ANOTHER fourth liner at the expense of at worst a 2C.

I'm in the boat that you can't just say he was useless for 40 but disregard what he did in the other 40.

Just like you can't say he was amazing since January and disregard what he did October-December.

Do I think he could keep up his pace since January all season long? No probably not, just like many on here (including me) said he wouldn't be in a season long funk like he was the first half of the season.

I think he is a 60-65 point player, not a 25 point player like he was on pace for the first half of the year and not a 85 point player he was on pace for the second half of the year.
- Stripes77

pretty sure reinhart was in the top 10 for scoring in the entire NHL once 2018 hit the calendar



and people wonder why I call him skunk

Please note that I said "If I were in combat..." never was, not into stolen valor. Want to make sure to specify that as there are plenty on this board that have, they're the people you thank.

I think more players have checked out, that's PART of the problem.

Side note: Was looking in the comments in the Vogl piece, there were people saying guys like ROR need to go so we can get guys like Carrier "that we need".

Yeah I mean, the one thing this team needs is ANOTHER fourth liner at the expense of at worst a 2C.

- gcomella34

Sorry I got plugged in for a second.

For the record, the people that post on here are pissed off with losing also DAMN IT. It's not just the players

Sorry I got plugged in for a second.
- SABRES 89

so did I

damn it I need to go get some beer

I'm in the boat that you can't just say he was useless for 40 but disregard what he did in the other 40.

Just like you can't say he was amazing since January and disregard what he did October-December.

Do I think he could keep up his pace since January all season long? No probably not, just like many on here (including me) said he wouldn't be in a season long funk like he was the first half of the season.

I think he is a 60-65 point player, not a 25 point player like he was on pace for the first half of the year and not a 85 point player he was on pace for the second half of the year.
- Stripes77

Maybe, maybe not. Biron stated that Reinhart was actually one of the players they were very happy with because he started applying what the coaches were telling him and working with them more the second half of the season. Take that for what it's worth.

But, if it's true and he FINALLY put it all together and led the team in goals while only producing half the year...do we really want to kick him to the curb?

so did I

damn it I need to go get some beer
- homiedclown

I may need another break from this site.

I may need another break from this site.
- SABRES 89

You're on a roll, Gerbe shows up, your blood pressure sky rockets.

Then you and Beady go at it.....hilarious.

You don't just trade a player like ROR, there will be more to come regarding him.
- SABRES 89

I agree with you on a lot of things, but this one I disagree with considering he was traded for his ways (and his father's ways) when he was in Colorado.

A true leader doesn't come out and say he lost his passion for hockey like he did, he could have worded it a lot better at least.

Do I think he quit on the team? No. Do I think it was difficult for him to come to the rink everyday especially towards the end of the season? Yes.

Do I think he is this great leader he claims to be? No. Do I think he wants to be this great leader he thinks he is? Yes.

I think the one thing he could really do to prove his worth and leadership is to come out and say this is Jack's team and I will be on his side working with him and the rest of the team to get to where they need to go.

A true leader knows when there is someone better suited to be in charge to step aside.

Make no mistake, no matter how much he won't admit it but O'Reilly needs to get over the fact that this isn't his team, it's Jack's team.

Doing that would be a huge first step in a locker room that is clearly torn. Joe Thorton handled being stripped of his C with class. ROR could learn a thing from him.

again, there was 12 wingers playing and the kid was tied for 15th in goal scoring for all the right wingers in the NHL

kid just turned 22 and scored 2 less goals than Patty Kane this year


there is a huge list of issues with this roster

he is the least of our worries


we can't score for sh!t and lets trash the 22 year old who led this team in goals


based on that logic, lets trash and trade eichel and let casey take over the number 1 center this fall


and then lets trash botts and get a new gm


and then lets move guhle because he didn't score points when he came up




no goal scoring from left wingers

okposo played like a piece of sh!t

that is your goal scoring issues for the top 6


not reinhart
not eichel
not ror


god damn it, you made me justify keeping ror




- homiedclown

Well, I really didn't bash him in the beginning when I said when Sam is your top winger you are going to have issues. He is not a #1 winger in skill or production and like you said he is 22 so this team relies on a center turned wing who was non-existent for the first half of the year, had 8 even strength goals last year as their sniper on line one. Any team is going to have problems sustaining the up tempo and production they want when he is not a skater and he is up and down production type winger.

pretty sure reinhart was in the top 10 for scoring in the entire NHL once 2018 hit the calendar



and people wonder why I call him skunk

- homiedclown

I think he was as well.

I don't think he is a top 10 scoring player for a full NHL season though but I would gladly take 65 points a year from him.

Maybe, maybe not. Biron stated that Reinhart was actually one of the players they were very happy with because he started applying what the coaches were telling him and working with them more the second half of the season. Take that for what it's worth.

But, if it's true and he FINALLY put it all together and led the team in goals while only producing half the year...do we really want to kick him to the curb?
- gcomella34

Nope, I want to keep Reinhart as long as he isn't expecting $6 million a year for 6 years right now.

Reinhart was the guy I wanted them to draft, I believe he is still a core player for the Sabres going forward.

You're on a roll, Gerbe shows up, your blood pressure sky rockets.

Then you and Beady go at it.....hilarious.
- gcomella34

Once in a while I will respond to Gerbe but other then that I ignore him, I don't respond to Beady he just like including me in his posts for what reason I don't know.

Thanks for your service because of folks like you we can go on with our ever day life, some people don't understand that, you know the ones that KNEEL.

Now onto ROR, i'm shocked more players on this team haven't " checked out" this crap has gone on long enough with this organization. Botterill has his hands full but I do see your point.
- SABRES 89

You’re so simpleminded you have no idea why they’re kneeling it’s not for the military why don’t you understand that ..

I agree with you on a lot of things, but this one I disagree with considering he was traded for his ways (and his father's ways) when he was in Colorado.

A true leader doesn't come out and say he lost his passion for hockey like he did, he could have worded it a lot better at least.

Do I think he quit on the team? No. Do I think it was difficult for him to come to the rink everyday especially towards the end of the season? Yes.

Do I think he is this great leader he claims to be? No. Do I think he wants to be this great leader he thinks he is? Yes.

I think the one thing he could really do to prove his worth and leadership is to come out and say this is Jack's team and I will be on his side working with him and the rest of the team to get to where they need to go.

A true leader knows when there is someone better suited to be in charge to step aside.

Make no mistake, no matter how much he won't admit it but O'Reilly needs to get over the fact that this isn't his team, it's Jack's team.

Doing that would be a huge first step in a locker room that is clearly torn. Joe Thorton handled being stripped of his C with class. ROR could learn a thing from him.
- Stripes77

Like I said, LOSING does this to players, over and over not an excuse just the truth. Or it's the Buffalo curse, that no matter what, we will fail.

Nope, I want to keep Reinhart as long as he isn't expecting $6 million a year for 6 years right now.

Reinhart was the guy I wanted them to draft, I believe he is still a core player for the Sabres going forward.
- Stripes77

Contract is going to be interesting. That will get interesting.

Sounded like JB was ready to trade some people who SEEMED untouchable, sounded like it though doesn't guarantee it.

Just trying to figure out who it may be.

Could have just been a motivation tactic as well, who knows.

You’re so simpleminded you have no idea why they’re kneeling it’s not for the military why don’t you understand that ..
- gerbe75pts

Piss off you idiot, it's disrespectful you moron.

I think he was as well.

I don't think he is a top 10 scoring player for a full NHL season though but I would gladly take 65 points a year from him.
- Stripes77

no he is not a top 10 scoring player

and he is not the upbeat north south player botts or housley wants


but if you have that upbeat center and lw, reinhart IMO will be just fine


so if we keep ror, skunk needs to either play with jack or casey

and I see it happening



then again I am fine playing

casey-jack-skunk
nylander-ror-svechnikov

for the top 2 lines if we get pick 2

Like I said, LOSING does this to players, over and over not an excuse just the truth. Or it's the Buffalo curse, that no matter what, we will fail.
- SABRES 89

Best line I ever heard:

Is that an excuse or an explanation? Because frankly I'm not interested in either.

Like I said, LOSING does this to players, over and over not an excuse just the truth. Or it's the Buffalo curse, that no matter what, we will fail.
- SABRES 89

He was losing in Colorado, he was coming to a team that just finished last again and he signed a massive contract as soon as he got here.

He knew what he was signing up for, I will never be okay with a supposed leader of a team saying he lost his passion for the game he plays for a living.