The only person that cares what Jarmo sends is you.
- carcus

You will one day care what Jarmo does and says Carcus...you just don't realize it quite yet.


Just like Blues fans now do with Scotty Bowman, Al Arbour and Joel Quenneville...

You will one day care what Jarmo does and says Carcus...you just don't realize it quite yet.


Just like Blues fans now do with Scotty Bowman, Al Arbour and Joel Quenneville...
- Trust In Jarmo

- carcus

Go ahead and laugh.

Carcus, you laughed at me in 2010 when I said the Kings would win the Stanley Cup before the Blues due to Sutter and Lombardi

You also laughed at me that I told you Armstrong would make some good moves but will ultimately fail you. Nothing like Pleau, but will still come up short.

I was correct on all that.

And I'm just a few years away from proving you wrong on Jarmo.

His draft picks are 18-23 years of age. And his trades have been damn good.

Keep laughing carcus. I know you and your sheep of blues fan will never give Jarmo his due or myself my due.

But we all know the truth.

You will ignore Jarmo, the way you ignore Quenneville now. And the way you ignore Scotty Bowman. (FYI: those 2 former blues coaches have put together the team of this decade in Chicago)

Keep living in denial.

Go ahead and laugh.

Carcus, you laughed at me in 2010 when I said the Kings would win the Stanley Cup before the Blues due to Sutter and Lombardi

You also laughed at me that I told you Armstrong would make some good moves but will ultimately fail you. Nothing like Pleau, but will still come up short.

I was correct on all that.

And I'm just a few years away from proving you wrong on Jarmo.

His draft picks are 18-23 years of age. And his trades have been damn good.

Keep laughing carcus. I know you and your sheep of blues fan will never give Jarmo his due or myself my due.

But we all know the truth.

You will ignore Jarmo, the way you ignore Quenneville now. And the way you ignore Scotty Bowman. (FYI: those 2 former blues coaches have put together the team of this decade in Chicago)

Keep living in denial.
- Trust In Jarmo

lol. True living in denial: Being a total fanboi of someone who went 6 years in a row having complete control of the Blues draft and didn't take a single skater who ended up being better than a 4th liner outside the first round. Literally every single team in the league did better than the Blues under Jarmo at drafting outside the first round, from 05 until he finally left.

But go ahead. Tell us more about how you predicted in 2010 that the Kings would win the Cup because of Sutter and Lombardi. I mean, sure, Sutter was still working for the Flames then, but why let facts or reality effect your world view lol.

Go ahead and laugh.

Carcus, you laughed at me in 2010 when I said the Kings would win the Stanley Cup before the Blues due to Sutter and Lombardi

You also laughed at me that I told you Armstrong would make some good moves but will ultimately fail you. Nothing like Pleau, but will still come up short.

I was correct on all that.

And I'm just a few years away from proving you wrong on Jarmo.

His draft picks are 18-23 years of age. And his trades have been damn good.

Keep laughing carcus. I know you and your sheep of blues fan will never give Jarmo his due or myself my due.

But we all know the truth.

You will ignore Jarmo, the way you ignore Quenneville now. And the way you ignore Scotty Bowman. (FYI: those 2 former blues coaches have put together the team of this decade in Chicago)

Keep living in denial.
- Trust In Jarmo

Jackets eliminated in the first round yet again

Shocked and appalled I am

lol. True living in denial: Being a total fanboi of someone who went 6 years in a row having complete control of the Blues draft and didn't take a single skater who ended up being better than a 4th liner outside the first round. Literally every single team in the league did better than the Blues under Jarmo at drafting outside the first round, from 05 until he finally left.

But go ahead. Tell us more about how you predicted in 2010 that the Kings would win the Cup because of Sutter and Lombardi. I mean, sure, Sutter was still working for the Flames then, but why let facts or reality effect your world view lol.
- Antilles

2013 was the closest you have ever come to the Stanley Cup Finals since Scotty Bowman left in 1970.

Most of those players were Jarmo's draft picks. And 3 of your top 4 points in the playoffs came from Jarmo's picks.


Makes one wonder if Jarmo would have been the GM, what he could have done to get you to win those last 2 games.

Yeah, Blue Jackets lost as a 7 seed. The franchise has never won a playoff round.

But they have made the playoffs only 4 times in 18 years. 3 of those 4 playoff appearances came under Jarmo in the past 5 years.

Sutter steeped down as Flames head coach in 2006. And Sutter finally left the Flames front office in 2010. And everyone knew in LA when Lombardi got the GM spot that he would reunite with his old coach, Darryl Sutter.

The same tag team duel that eliminated the President Trophy Blues in the 1st round back in 2000.

Thanks for the laugh though. Next year is definitely the Blues year though!

Jarmo is just a guy. Bill Armstrong has done a better job with the draft than Jarmo. Nobody in St Louis is sad that he is gone.

Following around a GM is strange. Especially one that hasn't really accomplished anything of note in the NHL.

I feel bad for our little buddy. He jumped on the Jarmo train a long time ago and now has to pretend he's still enamored with it, despite it's mediocre ride.

Kinda like Disney World. Once you fork over a frajillon dollars, you feel like you have to at least pretend you're having a good time.

He doesn't even have a team to follow anymore. He doesn't follow Columbus. He just pretends to.

Chin up, lil slugger.........

I feel bad for our little buddy. He jumped on the Jarmo train a long time ago and now has to pretend he's still enamored with it, despite it's mediocre ride.

Kinda like Disney World. Once you fork over a frajillon dollars, you feel like you have to at least pretend you're having a good time.

He doesn't even have a team to follow anymore. He doesn't follow Columbus. He just pretends to.

Chin up, lil slugger.........
- bcallaway

I don't feel bad for him at all....

I don't feel bad for him at all....
- carcus

I feel a little bad for him, anyone that desperate to troll clearly has some issues going on. I honestly think it most be Jarmo's wife or son, there is just no reason to think Jarmo has done well at drafting or as a GM at this point. It's pretty sad.[/img]

Jason, are you stilling writing the blog for Hockeybuzz ?

We need to trade Tarasenko to Montreal and pick up Tkachuk. To do so we will also need to trade someone like Schmaltz(whom I like), and pick up a player like Pacioretty.

If we could get truly lucky and move some pieces we could instead score Galchenyuk which would be tremendous.

Now everyone will say that Tarasenko crushes the play play offs, which is true in the first round. Tarasenko is a beast on the ice who is incredibly intelligent but has a tendency to over think the game and in so doing at times slows it down too much and thinks too fast giving the competition a chance to defend. Tarasenko has stopped the past couple of seasons playing in his own end and his effort has left a lot to be desired.

While there is so much to love about Tarasenko and his game, given his value he could bring us far more value in return while speeding up the team game and possibly creating a better team environment. I am not so sure his effort in his own end is easily over-looked by his teammates.

You can cut cap, add younger pieces and perhaps better players. I think Brady Tkachuk will be a better player than Tarasenko when it is said and done.

I might even be under-valuing what the Blues could get in return for Tarasenko. What I can say is this team has some team speed issues, it has some effort issues and I think they need to be addressed.

Everyone says that Sobotka and Berglund need to go. Sobotka is an excellent player for what he gives you from the third line and his ability to step up if there are injuries. Berglund is tough to understand because after his first shoulder surgery he looked iffy and then slowly started dominating the game more and more. We started seeing him dominate once again at the end of the season in his limited third line role.

Personally I think Schwartz, Schenn, with a few of the older statesmen plus an influx of youth would be a better recipe for this team to follow. Both of those players play fast. I think Fabbri should still be able to play fast and add a ton to this team. Plus four young wingers with good speed and size and young center Thomas makes for a formidable team going forward. Subtracting Tarasenko's cap hit and adding Brady Tkachuk makes this team incredible.

Going after Washington's back up and finding a way to dump Allen with Husso on the rise and young Fitzpatrick means we are solid. One more year of JayBo(hopefully as a third pairing), while adding in Wallman and bam this team starts looking fast and unstoppable IF THEY CAN PLAY YEO'S ATTACK STYLE AND IF YEO CAN UTILIZE COMPETITION AND NOT PLAY VETERANS OVER SUCCESS.

No to trading Tarasenko.

We need to add more firepower. Not get rid of it.

We have zero reason to get rid of a 35-40 goal scorer.

no to trading Tarasenko

NO to trading for Hoffman unless they take back both Sobo and Berg

no to trading Tarasenko

NO to trading for Hoffman unless they take back both Sobo and Berg
- sycsam

I'm happy to have Mike Hoffman but only if he leaves his bat-crap crazy girlfriend in Canada.

The return for Tarasenko with his salary and term would be considerably large but would be the dumbest trade they could make unless they are going into rebuild mode.

He's locked up in his prime years at a great number compared to what's being given today. Makes no sense to trade him IMO

I'm happy to have Mike Hoffman but only if he leaves his bat-crap crazy girlfriend in Canada.
- bcallaway

I would be happy to take him too if he dumps her. I mean, he almost has to. The optics are just so bad, I don't know how he survives in the NHL if he stays with her after this.

With the price dropping for him, how awesome would it be to also get rid of Sobotka in a deal for him?

I am ready for Armstrong to add a couple of legit top 6 guys this off-season and really help our offense. And am ok if it comes with some baggage. We need more offense.

I would be happy to take him too if he dumps her. I mean, he almost has to. The optics are just so bad, I don't know how he survives in the NHL if he stays with her after this.

With the price dropping for him, how awesome would it be to also get rid of Sobotka in a deal for him?

I am ready for Armstrong to add a couple of legit top 6 guys this off-season and really help our offense. And am ok if it comes with some baggage. We need more offense.
- carcus

Be nice if he could some how ship Berg and Sobo out in separate deals

I would take Hoffman but I don't know if you can have some sort of wife clause added to his current deal or not

Remember when I was calling for this?

"On Jake Allen...

I am hearing Jake Allen's name has been discussed by the Sabres and Blues...still early here...but I have heard Lehner would be heading back to St Louis...Makes some sense to get both good goalies a chance at a new start..."

I really think you guys are over-valuing Tarasenko. He has failed to live up to his potential and is technically now passed his prime years. The prime scoring years for forwards TENDS(that does not mean always as very talented individuals are outliers), to be by their age 26 season.

Tarasenko has not played at both ends of the ice for a few seasons which means to me he is not a good leader. You should always lead by example. This last season he did not look as good.

When I wrote about Hoffman I had no idea about this issue and the perception is key but there are three sides to every story and right now none of us know the truth, just that there is drama and he is involved in some manner by virtue of the company he keeps. So there is that concern but his value has now dropped considerably and that is always a good time to buy a player.

Tarasenko would be truly great if he wasn't so smart and consequently overthought the game. This has been a problem with highly gifted players with minds forever. The best ones always find a balance to thought and reaction. Timing is very important in life.

So my reasoning for even suggesting such a trade is that you get an abundance of talent in return and save cap space. Tarasenko has demonstrated the ability to be a game breaker but he has never achieved it at the same level of an Ovechkin. We always here how he could be a fifty goal scorer but instead of getting closer as he had in the past he has gotten worse. How he failed to click with Stastny while clicking with a younger and obviously more talented goal scorer and player in Laine speaks volumes. Laine does not overthink the game but is capable of thinking it at a high level. His first concern is scoring. Tarasenko would rather make the extra play. Why? WHy on Earth with a shot like Tarasenko's isn't he thinking shot 98% of the time? He always takes his time with the puck allowing his shot lanes to be blocked. The game is evolving and I wonder if Tarasenko is up to its evolution as he ages?

These are fair questions. Brady Tkachuk has a tremendous amount of talent, grit and other aspects to his game. When you get a player like that plus and save cap space how do you not consider it?

Again, I don't know what it is but there is something off about that lockerroom.

Tarasenko has absolutely not lived up to his hype. He wants to be a leader on this team but do leaders smile and joke around during the game when their team is losing? I would definetly think about a trade involving Tarasenko and Tkachuk. You'd have to at least give it thought. Younger player, less money, and more money to spend in free agency to adress other areas of concern.

Not sure about Lehner though. It would have to be a sign and trade. If Lehner was to do another 1 year deal at 4mill, yes, i would be okay with that. Are they going to resign Hutton?

Not sure if i want to see anymore of Jaskin on this team.

What about going after Luke Schenn via free agency?

Have they bought out Bouwmeester yet? or Gunnar?

october can't come quick enough.

Couldn't watch any of the finals cause of damn nbc, i don't get that channel. Get nbcsports but not nbc regular. Glad i didn't really give a poop about the finals.

Both sides of the Tarasenko coin has validity, but you can't trade him. For one, you would never get equal value in return for him and two, you'd just be lamenting watching yet another ex-Blue raising the Stanley Cup in a year or two.

Some talent-laden team would take him as the final piece of their puzzle.

But he also doesn't live up to his hype. He's fat and out of shape and he stole his paycheck last year. If it hasn't happened already, the General Manager needs to have a no holds barred face to face with him and lay down the law and the head coach needs to hold him to a higher standard.

He has too much talent to produce so little.

The greatest 50 goal scorer to never score 50 goals. My moniker for him until he changes it.

And for crying out loud, get out on the ice and don't come off until you develop a one-timer. The Blues have the greatest goal scorer from the left circle in the history of the game in the front office. Use him.

Everyone in the league knows your one move, skate in on the wing and cross to the middle of the ice. You might actually get that back if you come up with a different move from time to time.

Tarasenko has absolutely not lived up to his hype. He wants to be a leader on this team but do leaders smile and joke around during the game when their team is losing? I would definetly think about a trade involving Tarasenko and Tkachuk. You'd have to at least give it thought. Younger player, less money, and more money to spend in free agency to adress other areas of concern.

Not sure about Lehner though. It would have to be a sign and trade. If Lehner was to do another 1 year deal at 4mill, yes, i would be okay with that. Are they going to resign Hutton?

Not sure if i want to see anymore of Jaskin on this team.

What about going after Luke Schenn via free agency?

Have they bought out Bouwmeester yet? or Gunnar?

october can't come quick enough.

Couldn't watch any of the finals cause of damn nbc, i don't get that channel. Get nbcsports but not nbc regular. Glad i didn't really give a poop about the finals.
- BluesDroogie

I would not buy out either player. One year left so unless you can get a return they offer depth and I would think Gunnar could be more easily moved.

I would stay away from Schenn.

As to the comments from my clown friend, I disagree that you cannot receive as good of value. I would in fact argue you could obtain greater value while saving cap space. You could fit more players and receive more players that would be better by the sum than the individual.

The difference in individual players is so small that to be one of the top players you have to be able to offer game breaking ability. Furthermore, I would suggest players who can do this from different facets than their game are multidimensional and have a greater impact than a one dimensional player.

Let me address this and it is curious after my anger with Shwartz after last season. Schwartz I was concerned was too small to battle and was far too injury prone. Well he was coming back from significant injuries and still was injured. But the reason for frustration was similar to Tarasenko only that Schwartz is a far more impactful player than Tarasenko. Schwartz has play making ability, goal scoring ability and when he is not directly affecting the score sheet his ability to steal the puck or prolong zone time is impactful on the game.

Tarasenko showed this ability for two seasons and I would argue ever since he was concussed against the AVs he became one dimensional. He passes off shooting opportunities with his shot and that should not happen unless it is a sure empty netter or his lanes are being shaded too heavily(i.e. the defender is cheating on him).

I have no issues with joking on the bench while losing. Sometimes lightening the mood is what is necessary. I only have issues with effort. No doubt he was playing with an injury but his shoulder should not affect his skating. He did block shots.

Now if you read Oshie's quotes concerning his being a positive(mood), player as his teammates were saying he said only a few things bothered him. Which was interesting because we were upset with his play that off season against the Wild and maybe he was having issues with Tarasenko?

I truly believe there is a lockerroom issue. I think trading LEhtera helped that issue somewhat. I would rather have a team of Schwartz and Fabbri's than five Tarasenko's. I want effort and playing the game with speed and determination. Tarasenko has the ability to do this and we have not seen a lot of it and I think it is terrible. I also think someone who is as careful with his words as Tarasenko is that defending the bad play of a goaltender is admirable but he could have soft peddled it to the fans who were rightly disgusted.

If getting Lehner rids you of Allen---happy days. Allen could always discover the mental side of the game. I can live with that. He has all the ability in the world but bad positioning and mental lapses catch up to him. Is it his training routine? He looks like he barely sees a set of weights.

I like two of the Blues goaltending prospects a lot in Husso and Fitzpatrick. Lehner has some holes in his game but that is front of a terrible team and terrible defense. In front of a decent defense he might be a lot better.

The other reason to even contemplate trading Tarasenko is that we live in a cap world. If you can afford to receive assets for a player at their high point when their value is still high while not damaging your team fundamentally then you do it. The Blues have too many left-handed shooters at forward as well.

I would not buy out either player. One year left so unless you can get a return they offer depth and I would think Gunnar could be more easily moved.

I would stay away from Schenn.

As to the comments from my clown friend, I disagree that you cannot receive as good of value. I would in fact argue you could obtain greater value while saving cap space. You could fit more players and receive more players that would be better by the sum than the individual.

The difference in individual players is so small that to be one of the top players you have to be able to offer game breaking ability. Furthermore, I would suggest players who can do this from different facets than their game are multidimensional and have a greater impact than a one dimensional player.

Let me address this and it is curious after my anger with Shwartz after last season. Schwartz I was concerned was too small to battle and was far too injury prone. Well he was coming back from significant injuries and still was injured. But the reason for frustration was similar to Tarasenko only that Schwartz is a far more impactful player than Tarasenko. Schwartz has play making ability, goal scoring ability and when he is not directly affecting the score sheet his ability to steal the puck or prolong zone time is impactful on the game.

Tarasenko showed this ability for two seasons and I would argue ever since he was concussed against the AVs he became one dimensional. He passes off shooting opportunities with his shot and that should not happen unless it is a sure empty netter or his lanes are being shaded too heavily(i.e. the defender is cheating on him).

I have no issues with joking on the bench while losing. Sometimes lightening the mood is what is necessary. I only have issues with effort. No doubt he was playing with an injury but his shoulder should not affect his skating. He did block shots.

Now if you read Oshie's quotes concerning his being a positive(mood), player as his teammates were saying he said only a few things bothered him. Which was interesting because we were upset with his play that off season against the Wild and maybe he was having issues with Tarasenko?

I truly believe there is a lockerroom issue. I think trading LEhtera helped that issue somewhat. I would rather have a team of Schwartz and Fabbri's than five Tarasenko's. I want effort and playing the game with speed and determination. Tarasenko has the ability to do this and we have not seen a lot of it and I think it is terrible. I also think someone who is as careful with his words as Tarasenko is that defending the bad play of a goaltender is admirable but he could have soft peddled it to the fans who were rightly disgusted.

If getting Lehner rids you of Allen---happy days. Allen could always discover the mental side of the game. I can live with that. He has all the ability in the world but bad positioning and mental lapses catch up to him. Is it his training routine? He looks like he barely sees a set of weights.

I like two of the Blues goaltending prospects a lot in Husso and Fitzpatrick. Lehner has some holes in his game but that is front of a terrible team and terrible defense. In front of a decent defense he might be a lot better.

The other reason to even contemplate trading Tarasenko is that we live in a cap world. If you can afford to receive assets for a player at their high point when their value is still high while not damaging your team fundamentally then you do it. The Blues have too many left-handed shooters at forward as well.
- BluemanGuruu

5 Tarasenkos solves our scoring issues

his defense is underrated IMO

You guys are nit picking

Ok so the blues sign Tavares and kovalchuk

Could you imagine

Kovy Tavares tarasenko
Schwartz Schenn fabbri?
Steen sobotka berglund

Maybe switch tarasenko and fabbri

Ok I'll wake up from my dream.