Write a country song then.
- dadeadhead

- homiedclown

My girlfriend left me.
So I got drunk.
Now I got a beer belly.
So I can't see my junk.

Not salary cap hit.

You can retain the hit and not pay actual salary.

When trading a player you can't retain salary, bonus, and/or cap hit.
- dadeadhead

Yeah, I know. The actual money isnt important, the cap hot is. So even if you could find a team that wanted to trade a 6 mil, 60p center, which you probably couldn't, you're really still paying 7.5 when factoring (heh) retention.

Retaining salary should be a non starter. I've said this a million times, but the only way it makes sense to trade him is if mitts is ready now to exceed RORs output, and the return is astronomical.

This team isn't good enough to shed 60 points, unless their plan is to score less and be worse next year

Were you mentioned?


God I hope you were mentioned.
- dadeadhead

Always You Hear The Whispers of CJ in their voice

I'm going to the Florida Panthers game

I guess I like that kinky torture

Yeah, I know. The actual money isnt important, the cap hot is. So even if you could find a team that wanted to trade a 6 mil, 60p center, which you probably couldn't, you're really still paying 7.5 when factoring (heh) retention.

Retaining salary should be a non starter. I've said this a million times, but the only way it makes sense to trade him is if mitts is ready now to exceed RORs output, and the return is astronomical.

This team isn't good enough to shed 60 points, unless their plan is to score less and be worse next year
- jcragcrumple

It's about getting players here on ELC that are ready to step in right away and play. Now is not the time to add high cap hit contracts. It's the time to shed them.

yeah sure.. just like everyone thought Kane would get us a 1st and upper prospect at a minimum.. instead we may get a 1st and a B prospect.. yippie skippie..

Fans don't have any say, cool your excitement. It will make things less Macaulay Culkiny when they don't happen for you
- IndianaSabresFan

That's when Kane was hot and people suggested his value would stay hot even when he sucked for the 25 games +

If Buffalo would have moved him when he was one of the hottest players in the league they easily would have got a good offer.

But the Sabres put all their trust in Kane thinking they could double their value

nylander is already a bum to many


- homiedclown

Not to me he's going to be awesome people are going to be eating crow

wouldn't it be easier to discuss who not to trade?
- homiedclown

Like I said you should start a new core

Jack, Casey , 2018 pick

It's about getting players here on ELC that are ready to step in right away and play. Now is not the time to add high cap hit contracts. It's the time to shed them.
- dadeadhead

I agree. Yesterday I pointed out $19.6 mill that will mostly atrophy out by next year - other than Bogo. Adding in Okposo gets you 25 mil.

Last thing I'll say on this because I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing.it and no one is gonna change their mind anyway: one of the reasons the last rebuild failed was that we didn't leave any good pieces in place for the tank. Pitt and Toronto did. It would be a shame if they didn't learn that lesson and they just went full scorched Earth again.

What I'm saying is, the player is productive, in his prime, and reports of a back injury are suspect. He's also consistent. What's the end game here? We don't need the salary cap room, especially if the plan isn't to add more big FAs.

We all want moves, I just don't think this move makes sense yet

Not to me he's going to be awesome people are going to be eating crow
- gerbe75pts

Many thought that too about a young Gerbe almost 9 yrs ago............

Yet here we are.

Like I said you should start a new core

Jack, Casey , 2018 pick
- gerbe75pts

This is what we did last time. See my post above. You have to leave some productive players in place or it doesn't work

Many thought that too about a young Gerbe almost 9 yrs ago............

Yet here we are.
- dadeadhead

I agree. Yesterday I pointed out $19.6 mill that will mostly atrophy out by next year - other than Bogo. Adding in Okposo gets you 25 mil.

Last thing I'll say on this because I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing.it and no one is gonna change their mind anyway: one of the reasons the last rebuild failed was that we didn't leave any good pieces in place for the tank. Pitt and Toronto did. It would be a shame if they didn't learn that lesson and they just went full scorched Earth again.

What I'm saying is, the player is productive, in his prime, and reports of a back injury are suspect. He's also consistent. What's the end game here? We don't need the salary cap room, especially if the plan isn't to add more big FAs.

We all want moves, I just don't think this move makes sense yet
- jcragcrumple

Someone of value needs to be moved to fix the backend. I honestly believe had they won the lottery in 2014 they draft Ekblad and this team looks completely different.

- gerbe75pts

Exhibit A......

Someone of value needs to be moved to fix the backend. I honestly believe had they won the lottery in 2014 they draft Ekblad and this team looks completely different.
- dadeadhead

Making moves to try to get better faster also failed. You can't Rob Peter to pay Paul imo

Someone of value needs to be moved to fix the backend. I honestly believe had they won the lottery in 2014 they draft Ekblad and this team looks completely different.
- dadeadhead

And ekblad would probably have a Norris Trophy already

Making moves to try to get better faster also failed. You can't Rob Peter to pay Paul imo
- jcragcrumple

By the time this team is ready, ROR and/or Okposo will be of no use for this team.

One has to go and ROR has the better value.

Get the backend fixed and the wingers will fall into place. The centers are already here. You can afford to move ROR now rather than later.

It isn't about the hit for other teams, it's the that contract is buyout proof and after next season his cap hit is 7.5 but salary is 6.
- dadeadhead

could that be a decent trade to a budget team like ottawa, arizona or carolina? someone who can pay less and still have the cap benefit?

By the time this team is ready, ROR and/or Okposo will be of no use for this team.

One has to go and ROR has the better value.

Get the backend fixed and the wingers will fall into place. The centers are already here. You can afford to move ROR now rather than later.
- dadeadhead

If they think Mittelstadt is gonna score 60 next year and be ok defensively, and they're getting a top pair D man, sure look into it.

Can't remember which game it was, but mitts blew a tire at his own blue line and gave up a breakaway. If that had been ROR, people would be saying "lol selke"

They could have center depth that rivals almost any team next year if the keep him.

Eichel
ROR
Mitts
Erod

We'll see by July 1 I guess

could that be a decent trade to a budget team like ottawa, arizona or carolina? someone who can pay less and still have the cap benefit?
- IndianaSabresFan

I doubt the cheap ass Ottawa Senators would take on his contract

Exhibit A......
- dadeadhead

Tim Kennedy was also going to be a staple on the 3rd line for this team..

Sekera and Weber were goign to be a great top pairing on our D

Enroth was a #1 goalie

Someone of value needs to be moved to fix the backend. I honestly believe had they won the lottery in 2014 they draft Ekblad and this team looks completely different.
- dadeadhead

i thought GMTM had a hard on for Reinhart... we probably would have taken him 1st overall that year

Like I said you should start a new core

Jack, Casey , 2018 pick
- gerbe75pts

lather, rinse, repeat

If they think Mittelstadt is gonna score 60 next year and be ok defensively, and they're getting a top pair D man, sure look into it.

Can't remember which game it was, but mitts blew a tire at his own blue line and gave up a breakaway. If that had been ROR, people would be saying "lol selke"

They could have center depth that rivals almost any team next year if the keep him.

Eichel
ROR
Mitts
Erod

We'll see by July 1 I guess
- jcragcrumple

Are we winning a cup next year?

No? Ok trade him. Before you can’t when you actually need to

Tim Kennedy was also going to be a staple on the 3rd line for this team..

Sekera and Weber were goign to be a great top pairing on our D

Enroth was a #1 goalie
- IndianaSabresFan

Put me in the group of people that thought that

Ugh