I agree with the SH% stat although even with 30 more goals I'd say we're still fighting for a playoff spot this late in the year. We need a pure sniper in the top-6.

Edit:

Where exactly is Ho-sang coming from? We have no draft pick assets and not sure the islanders will want anything less than a top prospect (Fox, Valimaki)
- LittleBroDougie

I'm too lazy to look up the math right now, but would 30 extra goals give them 10 more wins? I don't really know. That would put them comfortably in the playoffs with 102 points. Maybe I'm way off though.

Ho-sang is just wishful thinking for me. I think he'd be a perfect fit in the top line. However he hasn't proven poop yet, so it's a huge gamble. Isles lack defense, flames have lots of defense. I think a deal could be made.

Never said we didn't have prospects - I said they weren't ready. And Foo aside, I stand by that. Klimmer is a depth player at this point.

Valimaki needs an AHL year, Kylington still has defensive miscues, and Wotherspoon will likely be let go (even though I agree he should be up while Brodie should be aimed for top6/1st round trade).

We need a RH shot. Kovalchuck is 100% not coming here while Hornqvist has been re-signed for 5. Slim pickings
- LittleBroDougie

I agree with all of these points and that's where I was going with this discussion. I wasn't questioning your post just so you know, I was just trying to add to the discussion of what prospects maybe in line.

Forgot about the Horqvist signing.

BT will have to get creative, but I would prefer playing our young guys to paying older veteran free agents big contracts with term..

I agree with all of these points and that's where I was going with this discussion. I wasn't questioning your post just so you know, I was just trying to add to the discussion of what prospects maybe in line.

Forgot about the Horqvist signing.

BT will have to get creative, but I would prefer playing our young guys to paying older veteran free agents big contracts with term..
- Flamin_Irishmin

I think JVR would be a good fit if we can get him for a reasonable contract, though if Foo looks as good as he does in his admittedly small sample size come training camp there is a possibility that we fix the top 6 RW problem from within. Kane might be a decent fit if his attitude issues really are resolved, though I can't see San Jose letting him walk given what he's already done for them in his short time there.

I agree that our depth should be filled up by our younger players for the most part. Shore has looked good since coming over and I think we'll keep him for either 3C or 4C next year. Lazar has been solid all season even though his points haven't necessarily come and Janko is definitely staying in the lineup. We have a lot of prospects who might be ready to make the jump in Mangiapane, Dube, maybe even Gawdin. I wouldn't mind seeing one or two vets either kept around or picked up in a depth role to help lead the team but for the most part I think we have some young players who can fill out the depth nicely. And not to mention that Rass is certainly ready to make the jump and Valimaki might be as well. I think Wotherspoon makes the NHL next year too, though I don't know if with us.

The big question to me is, once again, goaltending. Don't get me wrong, Smith was great at the start of the season and kept us in it, and Rittich looked good at that time too. But since the All-Star break, all three of the goaltenders we used struggled. If Smith can stay consistent throughout the year we'll be fine. If he can't, then we're back where we started.

I think JVR would be a good fit if we can get him for a reasonable contract, though if Foo looks as good as he does in his admittedly small sample size come training camp there is a possibility that we fix the top 6 RW problem from within. Kane might be a decent fit if his attitude issues really are resolved, though I can't see San Jose letting him walk given what he's already done for them in his short time there.

I agree that our depth should be filled up by our younger players for the most part. Shore has looked good since coming over and I think we'll keep him for either 3C or 4C next year. Lazar has been solid all season even though his points haven't necessarily come and Janko is definitely staying in the lineup. We have a lot of prospects who might ve ready to make the jump in Mangiapane, Dube, maybe even Gawdin. I wouldn't mind seeing one or two vets either kept around or picked up in a depth role to help lead the team but for the most part I think we have some young players who can fill out the depth nicely. And not to mention that Rass is certainly ready to make the jump and Valimaki might be as well. I think Wotherspoon makes the NHL next year too, though I don't know if with us.

The big question to me is, once again, goaltending. Don't get me wrong, Smith was great at the start of the season and kept us in it, and Rittich looked good at that time too. But since the All-Star break, all three of the goaltenders we hsed struggled. If Smith can stay consistent throughout the year we'll be fine. If he can't, then we're back where we started.
- Helios

Well we missed out on Rannta, and MAF last year. Washington and New Jersey both have good goalies in competition. Graubauer has outplayed Holtby the later part of the season, and they may be will to trade one. I would take either. Kingkade in NJ has taken over #1 spot over Schneider, maybe we could get the Cory if they don't want to pay 6 mil for a backup.
I'm not giving up on the goalies in the system, they just need more games under their belts..

I'm too lazy to look up the math right now, but would 30 extra goals give them 10 more wins? I don't really know. That would put them comfortably in the playoffs with 102 points. Maybe I'm way off though.

Ho-sang is just wishful thinking for me. I think he'd be a perfect fit in the top line. However he hasn't proven poop yet, so it's a huge gamble. Isles lack defense, flames have lots of defense. I think a deal could be made.
- dr_soiledpants

Tough to say cause it depends if the goals came in a 1-goal game or a 4-goal game; could be the difference between top of division and being in the wild-card hunt. Our goal differential this year has been atrocious all things considered.

I'm always on the fence with temperamental players. Also no way that management likes him with their tiresome focus on leadership.

I agree with all of these points and that's where I was going with this discussion. I wasn't questioning your post just so you know, I was just trying to add to the discussion of what prospects maybe in line.

Forgot about the Horqvist signing.

BT will have to get creative, but I would prefer playing our young guys to paying older veteran free agents big contracts with term..
- Flamin_Irishmin

Amen.

I'm just not very impressed with this year's draft class or free agency so I can't see any big changes aside from Brodie and maybe a prospect moving. Main reason why I liked Quenneville was that he seemed to give young guns a chance and he seems like the last person you could pushover (which I feel like BT and Burke are doing to Gully).

Amen.

I'm just not very impressed with this year's draft class or free agency so I can't see any big changes aside from Brodie and maybe a prospect moving. Main reason why I liked Quenneville was that he seemed to give young guns a chance and he seems like the last person you could pushover (which I feel like BT and Burke are doing to Gully).
- LittleBroDougie

I definitely think Brodie moves. If not him then Stone, but Brodie should be able to net us a lot more of a return. I mean, Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall. Brodie should be able to net us something pretty good. Don't know who we might get back, but there's gotta be some teams who will listen on him.

Good for Foo.

I definitely think Brodie moves. If not him then Stone, but Brodie should be able to net us a lot more of a return. I mean, Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall. Brodie should be able to net us something pretty good. Don't know who we might get back, but there's gotta be some teams who will listen on him.
- Helios

I hope both,Tre needs to make some room. Brodie will be gone.
Toronto needs d- Mariner
Detroit- Mantha
Buffalo- Reinhart
Montreal- Gallager
There's lots of team that would be interested in TJ, this year wasn't great but a change of scenery will probably benefit him.

Good for Foo.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Fooking rights!

I hope both,Tre needs to make some room. Brodie will be gone.
Toronto needs d- Mariner
Detroit- Mantha
Buffalo- Reinhart
Montreal- Gallager
There's lots of team that would be interested in TJ, this year wasn't great but a change of scenery will probably benefit him.
- K-man25

It would have to be TJ ++ for Marner. I feel the payment would be too much. Plus, haven't we learned that making trades with Toronto is a bad idea?

I'd like Mantha, even though he'd be another left shot left wing. Reinhart would give us another Sam Bennett, but he can kind of produce.

It would have to be TJ ++ for Marner. I feel the payment would be too much. Plus, haven't we learned that making trades with Toronto is a bad idea?

I'd like Mantha, even though he'd be another left shot left wing. Reinhart would give us another Sam Bennett, but he can kind of produce.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Mariner would be my first choice and your right it probably be more but we need a top rw and will have to pay. I thought Mantha was a left shot rw. Reinhart has out produced Bennett, Gallager is just Tkachuk light and probably the next captain of the Habs. I'm sure there's a fit somewhere. Brodie might bring a goalie also, someone mentioned Holtby and Schnieder. Regardless I would rather they trade for someone established than a draft pick. We saw what Iginla's first round pick brought, we should learn from this.

Well. Officially the worst team in the NHL in the last month. Man are we ever brutal.

Mariner would be my first choice and your right it probably be more but we need a top rw and will have to pay. I thought Mantha was a left shot rw. Reinhart has out produced Bennett, Gallager is just Tkachuk light and probably the next captain of the Habs. I'm sure there's a fit somewhere. Brodie might bring a goalie also, someone mentioned Holtby and Schnieder. Regardless I would rather they trade for someone established than a draft pick. We saw what Iginla's first round pick brought, we should learn from this.
- K-man25

Who is this "Mariner" you keep talking about?!

Mariner would be my first choice and your right it probably be more but we need a top rw and will have to pay. I thought Mantha was a left shot rw. Reinhart has out produced Bennett, Gallager is just Tkachuk light and probably the next captain of the Habs. I'm sure there's a fit somewhere. Brodie might bring a goalie also, someone mentioned Holtby and Schnieder. Regardless I would rather they trade for someone established than a draft pick. We saw what Iginla's first round pick brought, we should learn from this.
- K-man25

Take what it would cost to bring in Marner and double that for Holtby. Probably about the same price (as Marner) for Schneider. I don't know what you've been drinking tonight, but pass that poop around my man.

Take what it would cost to bring in Marner and double that for Holtby. Probably about the same price (as Marner) for Schneider. I don't know what you've been drinking tonight, but pass that poop around my man.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Brodie and Gillies and a 3rd for Schneider

Brodie and Gillies and a 3rd for Schneider

- Flamin_Irishmin

A 3rd in 2022? I think that's when the Flames pick in the 3rd round again.

Edit: sarcasm.

Well. Officially the worst team in the NHL in the last month. Man are we ever brutal.

- Flamin_Irishmin

Wrong, we're just unlucky.

Take what it would cost to bring in Marner and double that for Holtby. Probably about the same price (as Marner) for Schneider. I don't know what you've been drinking tonight, but pass that poop around my man.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

And...we lose again.

Could you post a link for us buddy?! I'm at work.
- Flamin_Irishmin

My thoughts exactly!

Wrong, we're just unlucky.
- tincup

Despite the sarcasm, there is a little of that I agree.

My Dad always says you create your own luck through hard work and tenacity. Words to live by.

And...we lose again.
- jazzca1974

Hey, our 1 win in the last 10 was beating the Oilers, so there's that..

Despite the sarcasm, there is a little of that I agree.

My Dad always says you create your own luck through hard work and tenacity. Words to live by.
- Flamin_Irishmin

Good to be lucky, lucky to be good. Talent & hard work/determination can make its own breaks. You have elite players that show out on the ice game after game. One of their bad games is like a great game for a lot of players.Then you have the rest. To get to this level of hockey, you have to have talent, no if's or buts about it. That's why I'm not a firm believer of just bad luck. The big picture is a sprinkle of need to achieve, fear of failure, systems putting players in the most likely chance to succeed.

One thing I have to say, the officiating in this league plays a way larger role in outcomes than any other sport. & this goes for pretty well every other team, but we sure get more than our fair share of garbage calls. I don't think Vegas has had many bad calls go against them. Sure makes a difference in close games & a league that supports 3 point games.

Despite the sarcasm, there is a little of that I agree.

My Dad always says you create your own luck through hard work and tenacity. Words to live by.
- Flamin_Irishmin

Yes, my apologies for the sarcasm. There's something missing on this team and it's not just luck. The emotional response has been questioned by BT, Smth and some of the talking heads. I also heard one of the Flames alum...I think Macoun question it. This team has the talent, great advanced stats etc.. but how many players can we really say are warriors ? Ever since Tkachuk went down, this team looks flat as a pancake. Is it the coach ? I don't know but I have to believe BT is wracking his brain to figure it out.