not accusing you of being a liar or anything Dragon, but I would be curious to go back in the hockeybuzz archives, and actually see who had Sergachev over Juolevi back before we drafted OJ. I honestly do not remember one person, openly claiming, that they would prefer the Russian before the Fin. I also don't remember anyone picking OJ before Tkachuk/PLD, but I am an old man at the age of 30, so maybe I am forgetting.
- Codes1087

I had Sergachev but it doesn’t matter. OJ will be fine while others ignore TB is loaded & ppl are blinded by reality.

99% wanted Tkachuk. Vantel wanted Serg. I can't recall anybody that was paying attention wanting Chychrun. Perhaps in November but nobody wanted him in June.

Edit. I stand corrected, Neem wanted him
- CanuckDon

Yes and he's top5 player drafted that year
For the record, I wanted Tkachuk

Yes and he's top5 player drafted that year
For the record, I wanted Tkachuk
- neem55

Didn't like him and still don't like him. I wanted PLD or Tkachuk. Juolevi was a shock

Didn't like him and still don't like him. I wanted PLD or Tkachuk. Juolevi was a shock
- CanuckDon

Me too

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com...and-Willie-ORee/194/91971

Me too
- VanHockeyGuy

same

Yeah, I think I remember this as well.

I do know that most of us wanted whoever was left out of Tkachuk/PLD

And Dragon/Vantel did have Serg over OJ

A few people liked Chychrun as well


Crazy to think that we could have traded that pick + something else significant for Subban if PLD was still available
- Nucker101

Columbus f-u-c-ked up that whole draft when the took PLD at the spot they did. I wanted PLD or OJ.

not accusing you of being a liar or anything Dragon, but I would be curious to go back in the hockeybuzz archives, and actually see who had Sergachev over Juolevi back before we drafted OJ. I honestly do not remember one person, openly claiming, that they would prefer the Russian before the Fin. I also don't remember anyone picking OJ before Tkachuk/PLD, but I am an old man at the age of 30, so maybe I am forgetting.
- Codes1087

Solid take.

If I was an owner and my team had 2 1sts in the 2003 draft(including the #10 pick) and came out with Andrei Kostisyn + Jeff Tambellini + Max Lapierre

I would not look back at that draft and give my GM/scouting staff a passing grade.

That's an extreme example of course, but that line of thinking is flawed.

A team with 2 1sts + picking top 6 in every round + an extra 3rd or 4th they acquired should have higher expectations than a team picking 27th with only 1 pick in each round.

And if a draft was really weak and produced very few impact NHL'ers, I'd be more inclined to give my staff a pass. However, if it was a deeper/stronger draft and we had 2 1st rounders, I'd set the bar pretty high.
- Nucker101

None of what you say is wrong, but none of it applies to these Canucks. The only time they have had “extra” picks was McCann and Gaj. If Benning had done everything the same except kept all the picks he acquired, and Gaudette was still the only other player besides Boeser to make the jump, then maybe those comparisons would have merit