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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Mar 27 @ 3:36 PM ET
Jesus Mike , bulldog are asking some Dumb questions
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Mar 27 @ 3:37 PM ET
Why? Because shes a trump supporter?
- TheHank


No I don’t need to hear it seven times on the app .


sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 27 @ 3:38 PM ET
ROR's total points all game states is 53 in 75 so .716(hah) points per game

other 51-55 point centres at similar GP (ill do 73-77) include

derek stepan (6.5 mil)
JT Miller(2.75 mil)
Jonathan Toews(10.5 mil)
Nazem Kadri(4.5 mil)
Matt Duchene(6 mil)

I'll keep the outliers like toews and miller in so that averages out but ill take out ELC players. That averages out to 6.05 mil

since the devaluing of PP around here is like calling the earth round circa 1640, ill look at primary points all game states, ROR has 44 in 75, .586 ppg

other comparisons at centre in the 43-47 range include:

Kadri(4.5mil)
pavelski(6 mil)
Schenn (5.1 mil)

Average AAV here is 5.2 mil

Now the nitty gritty hogwarts stats that everyone will likely dismiss as me being a douche:

here's 5v5 points, because you know, hardest game state to score and all may or may not be a better way to judge whether someone can move the needle or not

ROR has 19 5v5 points in 75 games .253 ppg (ranks outside the top 200)

other players at centre with 17-21 5v5 points, a similar ppg and amount of games:

Matt cullen (1mil)
Mikko Koivu(6.75 mil)
Vladamir Sobotka(3.5 mil)
Valtteri Filppula(5 mil)

Average AAV here is 4.06 mil

5v5 primary points, ROR has 15 in 75, so .2 per game

comparisons at 13-17 primary points in similar GP include

Mikko Koivu (6.75 mil)
JG Pageau (3.1 mil)
Cody Eakin (3.85 mil)
Kyle Brodziak (950k)
Brock Nelson (2.5 mil)
Riley Sheahan (2.75 mil)
Mikael Backlund (5.35 mil, deal kicks in next year)
Matt Cullen( 1 mil)
Jordan Staal (6 mil)
Elias Lindholm (2.7 mil)
Derek Stepan(6.5 mil)
Derek Ryan (1.425 mil)

average AAV is 3.57 mil


so total points, primary points all game states, 5v5 points and primary points at 5v5

6.05, 5.2, 4.06, 3.57

Depending on how you want to weigh each category that's anywhere from 4-5 mil level production. I obviously weigh 5v5 and primary points heavier so closer to 4 mil imo.

Now i eagerly await the post about how dzone starts and faceoffs bridges the 3.5 million dollar gap. (not from you obviously)

- Sabresfan-365

This is way too well thought out for HockeyBuzz
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Mar 27 @ 3:39 PM ET
I bet you Casey is so glad to get out of that interview Jesus
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 3:46 PM ET
I bet you Casey is so glad to get out of that interview Jesus
- gerbe75pts

What did you want them to ask that hasnt already been asked? Who cares.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 3:50 PM ET
Okposo or Reinhart would probably have to go if they draft an NHL-ready, top-6 RW, unless they shift to the left
- jcragcrumple

Okposo can go? Bring on the used puck bag. Sold.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM ET
What did you want them to ask that hasnt already been asked? Who cares.
- TheHank


Have you ever played wing ?
How do you feel about moving there

- living situation etc

No let’s ask did you watch how bad the team is this year
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM ET
Okposo nominated for the Masterton Trophy
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 3:52 PM ET
Have you ever played wing ?
How do you feel about moving there etc etc

No let’s ask did you watch how bad the team is this year

- gerbe75pts

Meh.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
Have you ever played wing ?
How do you feel about moving there etc etc

No let’s ask did you watch how bad the team is this year

- gerbe75pts


Did Bulldog do his usual stammering idiot act?

"I-I-I-I..."
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Mar 27 @ 3:54 PM ET
Okposo can go? Bring on the used puck bag. Sold.
- TheHank


I like him, but for $6m, and playing the least valuable position, imo, yeah.

Bogo
Pominville
Moulson
Okposo

21 million out of 78 mil in cap space, or 26%
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 3:55 PM ET
I like him, but for $6m, and playing the least valuable position, imo, yeah.

Bogo
Pominville
Moulson
Okposo

21 million out of 78 mil in cap space, or 26%

- jcragcrumple

Id be cool with letting the other three contracts run their course if we could just shed okposos. Way to much term on that one for my liking.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Mar 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Id be cool with letting the other three contracts run their course if we could just shed okposos. Way to much term on that one for my liking.
- TheHank



Bogo has 2 more years after this at $5.1

That's the one I want gone most
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
In and out is the best Burger on the planet
- gerbe75pts



Anaheim for me later next month, In and Out for shizzel.... Burgers and proof that the big yellow ball in the sky actually produces warmth...
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 4:00 PM ET
Bogo has 2 more years after this at $5.1

That's the one I want gone most

- jcragcrumple

Okposos 5 more years at 6M is a way bigger anchor imo. Especially with the log jam we have at rw here. If we get one or the rws at the top of the draft this year that deal looks even worse.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Mar 27 @ 4:01 PM ET
Bogo has 2 more years after this at $5.1

That's the one I want gone most

- jcragcrumple

I don't think Bogo or Okposo are tradeable. I expect Moulson to be bought out, and Pommer back.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Mar 27 @ 4:04 PM ET
I don't think Bogo or Okposo are tradeable. I expect Moulson to be bought out, and Pommer back.
- Lunaion


I'm hoping that Moulson getting to pick where he played this year was a favor for him and that he'll retire. Probably a pipe dream, I know.

I'd buyout Bogo, waive Moulson if he doesn't retire, and then hope the next lockout brings an amnesty buyout for Okposo.

Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Mar 27 @ 4:07 PM ET
Okposos 5 more years at 6M is a way bigger anchor imo. Especially with the log jam we have at rw here. If we get one or the rws at the top of the draft this year that deal looks even worse.
- TheHank

who is going to take on that contract though ? At least if you end up with one of the wingers at the top of the draft you put each player in the best place to succeed. Reinhart ideally is a 2RW. Okposo at this point in his career is an ideal 3RW if he can have a good offseason and play alongside ROR.

Erod-Eichel-Svech/Z
Smith-Mitts-Reinhart
Bailey-ROR-Okposo
Girgensons-Josefson-Baptiste
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Mar 27 @ 4:07 PM ET
Okposos 5 more years at 6M is a way bigger anchor imo. Especially with the log jam we have at rw here. If we get one or the rws at the top of the draft this year that deal looks even worse.
- TheHank



There will be compliance buyouts in new CBA. We will be fine, he will be gone.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Mar 27 @ 4:09 PM ET
Just looked it up, Moulson only has 3 mil in real salary next year. Maybe he will just collect his $1m signing bonus and retire
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 4:10 PM ET
There will be compliance buyouts in new CBA. We will be fine, he will be gone.
- Fattony1187

I think thats our only hope. (frank)1n gmtm.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Mar 27 @ 4:10 PM ET
Ehrhoff retired today.
He'll get $857,143 a year for a decade from the Sabres...
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Mar 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
I'm hoping that Moulson getting to pick where he played this year was a favor for him and that he'll retire. Probably a pipe dream, I know.

I'd buyout Bogo, waive Moulson if he doesn't retire, and then hope the next lockout brings an amnesty buyout for Okposo.

- jcragcrumple


Buying out Moulson just lets everyone move on. It's a small cap savings. Retirement would mean a cap recapture penalty. Not a big deal, but like you said, it's probably not going there anyways.

I don't think they can buyout Bogo. The injury prevents it.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 4:13 PM ET
Just looked it up, Moulson only has 3 mil in real salary next year. Maybe he will just collect his $3M signing bonus and retire
- jcragcrumple

Fixed
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Mar 27 @ 4:15 PM ET
who is going to take on that contract though ? At least if you end up with one of the wingers at the top of the draft you put each player in the best place to succeed. Reinhart ideally is a 2RW. Okposo at this point in his career is an ideal 3RW if he can have a good offseason and play alongside ROR.

Erod-Eichel-Svech/Z
Smith-Mitts-Reinhart
Bailey-ROR-Okposo
Girgensons-Josefson-Baptiste

- Pegullaville

Nobody is taking that contract. Thats the problem.
That lw depth is really poopty right there.
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