Imo he’s going to end up losing the room with his approach.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.


- flyer_nutter

In my opinion there are no indications of that. Wishful thinking on your part.

Imo he’s going to end up losing the room with his approach.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

I don’t get the obsession with turds like Manning and VDV. Safe plays and all sure, but it’s weird to me.
- flyer_nutter

It is a thin line for coaches these days....if I’m Hakstol I coach with my gut(like he does)....then there’s no excuses if you get fired....as a coach you have to do things on your own terms. I hated a couple of my coaches, but they were some of the best coaches I ever had bar none.

Imo he’s going to end up losing the room with his approach.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

I don’t get the obsession with turds like Manning and VDV. Safe plays and all sure, but it’s weird to me.
- flyer_nutter

I don't think he'll lose the room. If anything, he has shown that he rewards players who work hard.

You don’t know the level of dislike I have for me.

Easy to argue that. They do it in spite of him haha.
- flyer_nutter

Sometimes true.

Imo the right approach is to let the kid play, and hope he scores you another instead of the obsession you have with “safe hockey”.

Talk to him after the game and don’t single him out in the media.

At the end of the day it’s a minor thing but kind of a pattern with Varsity in my eyes. Hopefully it works out for him and the team, I have my doubts.

Well, if that's the case, I'd going to assume that Simmonds and Voracek are defensive juggernauts since they are gifted those responsibilities without having to be benched or publicly called out in the media.
- jmatchett383

If Simmonds were a young player, one could argue that some of his defensive coverages, 2 blown assignments on one sequence leading to a goal against, would be deserving of a benching. It's different with veterans and always has been. There just is not the same value in benching a veteran and calling him out in the media versus a young player. Hakstol supports Manning in the media because he knows he is a limited player giving his all and there is no value to criticizing Manning to the media.

I don't think he'll lose the room. If anything, he has shown that he rewards players who work hard.
- jmatchett383

That’s very clear but I would say that Konecny works harder than most. Every game.

One could possibly argue that having a player out there who could also score you a goal to go up by two would be deemed as important as “protecting a lead”. I get what he’s doing trying to turn him into a more complete player but imo the kid hasn’t exactly been Yakupov in the defensive zone either.

- flyer_nutter

True, but Hakstol frequently resorts to the "prevent" style of play in the third period when protecting a lead. He didn't do it last night specifically because of Konecny's play.

Well, if that's the case, I'd going to assume that Simmonds and Voracek are defensive juggernauts since they are gifted those responsibilities without having to be benched or publicly called out in the media.
- jmatchett383

Bill covered vets vs n00bs in this blog

Well, if that's the case, I'd going to assume that Simmonds and Voracek are defensive juggernauts since they are gifted those responsibilities without having to be benched or publicly called out in the media.
- jmatchett383

Because that isnt the way it works on any team.
Vets getting called out over rookies or young players.
Additionally Jake is a top 10 point producer in this league so you take the good and bad there.

Bill covered vets vs n00bs in this blog
- Scoob

I know. And as I said earlier, he's not the first or last coach to do so.

I'd just rather go with the guy who may or may not make the same mistake as opposed to the guy who undoubtedly will make the same mistake. Personally.

Imo the right approach is to let the kid play, and hope he scores you another instead of the obsession you have with “safe hockey”.

Talk to him after the game and don’t single him out in the media.

At the end of the day it’s a minor thing but kind of a pattern with Varsity in my eyes. Hopefully it works out for him and the team, I have my doubts.
- flyer_nutter

It's not an obsession with safe hockey, it's an obsession with quality hockey and making the right plays. The kind of play away from the puck that makes good teams into great teams. Letting a young player have carte blanche and just letting him play no matter what is the absolute worst approach a coach could take with a player like Konecny. It is a process. A process that is clearly working.

Because that isnt the way it works on any team.
Vets getting called out over rookies or young players.
Additionally Jake is a top 10 point producer in this league so you take the good and bad there.
- opeth_pa

I don't disagree, it was pure sarcasm.

But, as to your last point, couldn't you make the argument that you take the good and bad with Konecny last night based on his performance?

I know. And as I said earlier, he's not the first or last coach to do so.

I'd just rather go with the guy who may or may not make the same mistake as opposed to the guy who undoubtedly will make the same mistake. Personally.
- jmatchett383

Oh, I hear you. I hate the prevent style. Hakstol does it. And he gave reasons why he benched Konecny. Like the decision or not, at least he gave the reasons.

True, but Hakstol frequently resorts to the "prevent" style of play in the third period when protecting a lead. He didn't do it last night specifically because of Konecny's play.
- Scoob

Most coaches with a lead will change their forecheck and posture when having a lead in the 3rd period. The Flyers already play a 1-2-2 so there's not much to change there. I don't believe that Hakstol coaches and instructs the players to go into a prevent style of play. I do think he preaches making the correct plays and simplifying the game such as getting the puck deep consistently instead of making low percentage plays, eliminating stretch passes, etc. I think however he still wants the team to play aggressively and spend time in the offensive zone.

I know. And as I said earlier, he's not the first or last coach to do so.

I'd just rather go with the guy who may or may not make the same mistake as opposed to the guy who undoubtedly will make the same mistake. Personally.
- jmatchett383

I don’t really care about how things are done on other clubs. Sticking with the way things have been done in the past isn’t exactly always the best approach.

Hell if that were the case the game today would be a mirror image of the 70s.

Most coaches with a lead will change their forecheck and posture when having a lead in the 3rd period. The Flyers already play a 1-2-2 so there's not much to change there. I don't believe that Hakstol coaches and instructs the players to go into a prevent style of play. I do think he preaches making the correct plays and simplifying the game such as getting the puck deep consistently instead of making low percentage plays, eliminating stretch passes, etc. I think however he still wants the team to play aggressively and spend time in the offensive zone.
- MJL

It doesn't look that way to my eyes. Maybe someone #fancy can prove otherwise.

I don't disagree, it was pure sarcasm.

But, as to your last point, couldn't you make the argument that you take the good and bad with Konecny last night based on his performance?
- jmatchett383

I think if its game 20 of the season you take the good and the bad because you have room to adjust. If it's game 74 and you are trying to solidify playoff footing I understand the move.

Ideally in a year or 2 when he has proven he can handle it I think TK is getting those minutes at the end but I am okay with it not being this year.

Oh, I hear you. I hate the prevent style. Hakstol does it. And he gave reasons why he benched Konecny. Like the decision or not, at least he gave the reasons.
- Scoob

He was pressed to give reasons, and rightfully so.

Feeling those team negative vibes this AM. Perhaps it because I’m on day 5/7. (frank)ers.

Want to know what would please me in a sick way? If Konec gave an honest pro/cons list after the next game about Hak. One can dream.

It doesn't look that way to my eyes. Maybe someone #fancy can prove otherwise.
- Scoob

He may WANT them to do it, but his approach hasn't been yielding those results.

How can this blog be taken seriously without any charts or graphs???

Oh, I hear you. I hate the prevent style. Hakstol does it. And he gave reasons why he benched Konecny. Like the decision or not, at least he gave the reasons.
- Scoob

That's thing thing: I don't like the decision. I understand his reasons for doing so, I just don't agree with them, regardless of how and by whom it's been done in the past.

He may WANT them to do it, but his approach hasn't been yielding those results.
- jmatchett383

He also may not want to ride his goalies into the ground but since the dawn of his tenure he continuously has shown he does it.

/raging Friday.

He also may not want to ride his goalies into the ground but since the dawn of his tenure he continuously has shown he does it.

/raging Friday.
- flyer_nutter

I don't think so. Aside from his overusage of Elliott earlier, I don't think he's ridden his goalies too hard. Going with the hot hand and sticking with a goalie for 10+ games are different animals.

How can this blog be taken seriously without any charts or graphs???
- all-pgh

These blogs are occasionally "exciting" but are rarely "good."