They all, with a couple of exceptions, spent extra years in their respective developmental leagues beyond when they were drafted. I personally would not have locked any of these players into an opening night roster. If I were to forecast, as a GM after drafting them, I would predict they need more development time. Sometimes that means 3 more years in the NCAA, sometimes 1 in the WHL, sometimes those numbers plus a year or two in the AHL. You can't cherry pick players and tell me they weren't developed when they were, the only guys to play their draft year on your list is Seth Jones and Hirshier, both of whom were talked about as being the second best player in their drafts. I'm not saying Pettersson or Dahlen shouldn't make the opening night roster, I'm saying they should be on the outside looking in. As in- outside of your expectations of who is in your lineup for next year. I don't really get why that's hard for you, I can similarly cherry pick high end players that have taken longer to develop than the ones you've mentioned.
- neem55

lol neem this is a vicious circle, lets just stop. I don't have it in me to keep this going

They all, with a couple of exceptions, spent extra years in their respective developmental leagues beyond when they were drafted. I personally would not have locked any of these players into an opening night roster. If I were to forecast, as a GM after drafting them, I would predict they need more development time. Sometimes that means 3 more years in the NCAA, sometimes 1 in the WHL, sometimes those numbers plus a year or two in the AHL. You can't cherry pick players and tell me they weren't developed when they were, the only guys to play their draft year on your list is Seth Jones and Hirshier, both of whom were talked about as being the second best player in their drafts. I'm not saying Pettersson or Dahlen shouldn't make the opening night roster, I'm saying they should be on the outside looking in. As in- outside of your expectations of who is in your lineup for next year. I don't really get why that's hard for you, I can similarly cherry pick high end players that have taken longer to develop than the ones you've mentioned. They will compete for roster spots, but likely end up in Utica. Anything else is gravy.
- neem55

Can’t you then say, that the Pettersson’s and Dahlen’s have spent time in their respective “development” leagues? I bet there are guys (professional players) in the SHL who would rather be playing in the NHL, but they just got powned by a 19 kid.

Penciling a prospect for the minors prior to training camp, to me, is literally the exact same as penciling a prospect in for opening night line up (as far as being dramatic). Many, including myself, had Boeser as a lock to spend the year in Utica for development prior to this season, but it literally would not have done him any good. I have ZERO idea how Dahlen/Pettersson/Gaudette can translate their skills to the pro level, but I think penciling any prospect in for one league prior to development camp is dumb. Let them fight it out, and if they deserve it, give them a spot
- Codes1087

Yes and no.

Let's talk defence.

Make sure that we have 6 NHL Defencemen signed along with a reliable number 7. That is pencilling oj in the AHL. Of he forces his way up then you waive or trade one of the top 7.

Penicilling him into the top 6 goes like this.
Sign 5 to 6 players and one number 7, hope oj is a top 6. If he isn't then you have a similar defensive core as we've had the last few years where Hutton, strecher et all have been penciled in because there isn't anyone better.

If you only have 5 quality defencemen and oj is terrible then we'll have another AHL defencemen on the team, why would anyone want that.

It's plain to see.

lol neem this is a vicious circle, lets just stop. I don't have it in me to keep this going
- Codes1087

look, all I'm saying is there's two or three teirs in camp

Teir one: Bo, Tanev, Edler, Sedin's, Bae, Boeser (at this point). Where they get the benefit of the doubt and barring injury are on the team.

teir two: Evryone has to fight to make it on the NHL roster if they're in this tier, non are given the benefit of the doubt. Prove it or get send back down. This teir is very uncertain who will make the team, you might even (if you were to forecast) say that guys that have been battling in this tier for a bit like JV, Gaunce might have the edge on the newcomers. So, again, you might say it's less likely for the new guy to push through this tier, when you've got guys in this teir that have made your roster before.

I really don't care who we draft in the first round but I hope they go heavy on D after that . Our D prospects are not very good
- VANTEL

That's a lot of D for Nucker

That's a lot of D for Nucker
- CanuckDon

Big time

I’m not opposed to drafting Svechnikov if he is the best player available, just making light of the intangible reasons.

If the Canucks finish last, and lose the lottery picking 4th, and the first three are Dahlin, Zadina, Boqvist would you be upset with Svechnikov?
- 1970vintage

To be honest, as much as I don't want a Russian, I am not sure if I could pass on Svech at 3. Kid (or possibly man) has speed, strength and skill. In another draft he could be worth a first overall pick

edit. the draft interviews will be big for this kid. not a lot of trust with Russian players at the moment. He could go 2nd overall if he interviews well and if not? Who knows where he ends up.

You are looking at giving this team a cleansing , It is a series of moves. I am sure you didn't see Hutton Puoliot Markstrom Neilsson Sedins on the team


It doesn't have to be De Hann it could be a Hamhuis or another steady bottom pairing

Out

Neilsson and Markstrom 6.1 mil

Hutton and Pouliot 3.6 cost

Henrik and Daniel 14 mil


In

Chara 7.5 x1

Hamhuis 2 x1
Ward 4.5 x2

??? Bo Boeser
Sven Petterson Jake
Granlund Sutter Archibald
Gaunce Gaudette Goldobin


Edler Chara
OJ Tanev
Hamhuis Gudbrandson

Ward
Demko
- VANTEL

Sign stop gaps, if a prospect out performs them then play the prospect and waive the gap. Dont gift 4 rookies roster spots.

This is not ok.
- neem55

Too bad

look, all I'm saying is there's two or three teirs in camp

Teir one: Bo, Tanev, Edler, Sedin's, Bae, Boeser (at this point). Where they get the benefit of the doubt and barring injury are on the team.

teir two: Evryone has to fight to make it on the NHL roster if they're in this tier, non are given the benefit of the doubt. Prove it or get send back down. This teir is very uncertain who will make the team, you might even (if you were to forecast) say that guys that have been battling in this tier for a bit like JV, Gaunce might have the edge on the newcomers. So, again, you might say it's less likely for the new guy to push through this tier, when you've got guys in this teir that have made your roster before.
- neem55

Wiercioch is a good example of this .

Everything's going perfect

Everything's going perfect
- LeftCoaster

EXcept in here, business as usual...

Can’t you then say, that the Pettersson’s and Dahlen’s have spent time in their respective “development” leagues? I bet there are guys (professional players) in the SHL who would rather be playing in the NHL, but they just got powned by a 19 kid.
- 1970vintage

For sure, they are in development. in development and NHL ready are not the same. My point is: if there is any doubt they are not up to the task, you send them down. NHL is not the place to develop

Sign stop gaps, if a prospect out performs them then play the prospect and waive the gap. Dont gift 4 rookies roster spots.
- Pres.cup

I wouldn’t sign any stop gaps, but I hold have guys on PTO - like Upshall this year. If they beat out the prospects for a spot you know they (prospects) aren’t ready

EXcept in here, business as usual...
- 1970vintage

Hutton for a 2nd

For sure, they are in development. in development and NHL ready are not the same. My point is: if there is any doubt they are not up to the task, you send them down. NHL is not the place to develop
- neem55

Preaching to the choir there.

Hutton for a 2nd
- LeftCoaster

Preaching to the choir there.
- 1970vintage

Should apply that same treatment to Loui

Hutton for a 2nd
- LeftCoaster

If they could it would be a miracle. Throw in Baertschi, Granlund, Erickson, Sutter, MDZ, Gudbranson too while we’re at it.

Hutton for a 2nd
- LeftCoaster

I would take a 4 th and clear the 2.8 off the cap

- CanuckDon

I'm a little overly excited with all this losing.

Hutton for a 2nd
- LeftCoaster

Hutton combined with Granlund might get you that.😁

Everything's going perfect
- LeftCoaster

The hate in here?

Hutton for a 2nd
- LeftCoaster

He's too fat. A 3rd.

The hate in here?
- Marwood

Morning hate is good for the soul.