Its always a little funny to me that minds are lost when the Flyers are questioned on here.

Dear lord boys. Sack up.
- flyer_nutter

without #fancy this post makes no sense to me

The hope for me is that both him and Hagg get to play the remainder of the games this year. Regular season and playoffs (if they make it).

Morin needs to be playing next season as well whether its at the cost of Gudas/Mac. Would be kind of a joke if not. That D core is coming together thankfully.
- flyer_nutter

Agreed. Is it too much to ask for Sanheim to snipe one? Fine, I will just be happy he is playing

The D core for their age is one of the best in the NHL. It will be scary for other teams when they all have the experience.

I'll say this much. I do think the organization made a mistake starting the season with Sanheim in the NHL.

Personally I thought Morin was the most solid guy out of the three rookies.

It was somewhat of a shock to me that Hagg and Sanheim made the team and Morin did not (regardless of his 4 game West Coast trip with the team)

Call me a company guy if you want, but it seems like your default position is to throw out insults. Even when not provoked in to it.
- MBFlyerfan

Agree on the Morin thing, thought he had a whale of a start to the year. Outplayed Sanheim in my eyes anyway.

Regarding the last bit, I dont really mean to be insulting but the freaking out over varying opinions is weird to me. Live and let live + all that bs.

Agreed. Is it too much to ask for Sanheim to snipe one? Fine, I will just be happy he is playing

The D core for their age is one of the best in the NHL. It will be scary for other teams when they all have the experience.
- YuenglingJagr

I think the D core is actually a pretty damn good one (when healthy and minus Manning).

Imagine Pittsburgh with Prov/Ghost/Sanheim/Hagg/Morin for the future.

Has anyone ever been to a game in Pitt? My girlfriend and I are trying to get to every stadium in the near future and the only one we looked at that made us nervous about going to was Pittsburgh. We've been to MSG and Prudential and neither were bad other than the few douchers but everything I've heard about Pitt, no matter who the opposing team is, has been bad.

Agree on the Morin thing, thought he had a whale of a start to the year. Outplayed Sanheim in my eyes anyway.

Regarding the last bit, I dont really mean to be insulting but the freaking out over varying opinions is weird to me. Live and let live + all that bs.
- flyer_nutter

Fair enough on #2

As for Morin, it made me wonder if maybe he was already fighting some sort of ailment from the very start of the season. Maybe again the org saw something we didn't. (company guy again )

Something the player wasn't willing to admit perhaps?

Either way, I don't agree with every move the team makes regarding player moves. I didn't agree on Morin, I thought Lindblom should have made the team over Leier, I thought Sanheim should NOT have made the team.

But looking at the results to a man, I can't really dispute any of it. That doesn't make me a company apologist. I just go by what I see. Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, Laughton, Hagg, Sanheim and Lindblom all look to be sailing in the right direction as far as their play is concerned.

Agree or not, Filppulla, Weise, Lehtera, Manning and to a lesser extent Gudas are all placeholders. The team is in a win while rebuilding type place.

The longview, and I agree with it, seems to be not to throw the kids to the wolves, let them get acclimated at a steady pace, don't overwhelm them, and let the vets lead the way until the kids get ready. Seems we are seeing exactly that as the kids take more key roles and guys like Fil move back, Weise, Lehtera, and Manning go to the Cote suite in the sky just as we are getting to crunch time.

I think its awesome how it has worked out so far.

Has anyone ever been to a game in Pitt? My girlfriend and I are trying to get to every stadium in the near future and the only one we looked at that made us nervous about going to was Pittsburgh. We've been to MSG and Prudential and neither were bad other than the few douchers but everything I've heard about Pitt, no matter who the opposing team is, has been bad.
- ajw12

I have. It wasn't bad. Certainly douchers and people love to make comments but I don't think anyone will do anything about it. Helped that the Flyers won and probably helped they were corporate tickets. I can't comment on upper levels

Fair enough on #2

As for Morin, it made me wonder if maybe he was already fighting some sort of ailment from the very start of the season. Maybe again the org saw something we didn't. (company guy again )

Something the player wasn't willing to admit perhaps?

Either way, I don't agree with every move the team makes regarding player moves. I didn't agree on Morin, I thought Lindblom should have made the team over Leier, I thought Sanheim should NOT have made the team.

But looking at the results to a man, I can't really dispute any of it. That doesn't make me a company apologist. I just go by what I see. Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, Laughton, Hagg, Sanheim and Lindblom all look to be sailing in the right direction as far as their play is concerned.

Agree or not, Filppulla, Weise, Lehtera, Manning and to a lesser extent Gudas are all placeholders. The team is in a win while rebuilding type place.

The longview, and I agree with it, seems to be not to throw the kids to the wolves, let them get acclimated at a steady pace, don't overwhelm them, and let the vets lead the way until the kids get ready. Seems we are seeing exactly that as the kids take more key roles and guys like Fil move back, Weise, Lehtera, and Manning go to the Cote suite in the sky just as we are getting to crunch time.

I think its awesome how it has worked out so far.
- MBFlyerfan

As much as I question at times, the results with a lot of these young kids are speaking for themselves. Its been a long time in the darkness, to see them on the upswing as an organization is fun to be watching. Frost and Hart have me excited.

I have. It wasn't bad. Certainly douchers and people love to make comments but I don't think anyone will do anything about it. Helped that the Flyers won and probably helped they were corporate tickets. I can't comment on upper levels
- YuenglingJagr

I've never had an issue to the rinks I've visited. Washington, Boston, MSG, The Island, Panthers, Tampa, Pittsburgh.

It all comes down to how you act. Sure there is ribbing but if you act respectful I find you get it back in return.

The only place this doesn't apply is at Eagles games. Don't wear another jersey if you don't want to fight. Most people are ok, but there is always that one drunken coward who will throw something at you from ten rows back and there isn't anything you can do about it.

As much as I question at times, the results with a lot of these young kids are speaking for themselves. Its been a long time in the darkness, to see them on the upswing as an organization is fun to be watching. Frost and Hart have me excited.
- flyer_nutter

Fair enough on #2

As for Morin, it made me wonder if maybe he was already fighting some sort of ailment from the very start of the season. Maybe again the org saw something we didn't. (company guy again )

Something the player wasn't willing to admit perhaps?

Either way, I don't agree with every move the team makes regarding player moves. I didn't agree on Morin, I thought Lindblom should have made the team over Leier, I thought Sanheim should NOT have made the team.

But looking at the results to a man, I can't really dispute any of it. That doesn't make me a company apologist. I just go by what I see. Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, Laughton, Hagg, Sanheim and Lindblom all look to be sailing in the right direction as far as their play is concerned.

Agree or not, Filppulla, Weise, Lehtera, Manning and to a lesser extent Gudas are all placeholders. The team is in a win while rebuilding type place.

The longview, and I agree with it, seems to be not to throw the kids to the wolves, let them get acclimated at a steady pace, don't overwhelm them, and let the vets lead the way until the kids get ready. Seems we are seeing exactly that as the kids take more key roles and guys like Fil move back, Weise, Lehtera, and Manning go to the Cote suite in the sky just as we are getting to crunch time.

I think its awesome how it has worked out so far.
- MBFlyerfan

Overall I agree, but just wanted to make two points, at least two that are relative to me.

1. I know what their idea is in regards to the vets. I don't completely disagree with the idea, just how it goes down sometimes. I don't think simply being overcautious is the best. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter because we will get what we want eventually, but it is a hockey blog.

2. I watch a lot of non-flyers hockey, and I see several teams doing things differently from the Flyers. I don't think what the Flyers are doing developmentally is perfect, but it is among the best in the NHL. That all starts with drafting good players, which the Flyers are the best at (at least in the top 3). The players they are drafting are going to make a lot of people forget about Jori Lehtera

exactly
- YuenglingJagr

And proceeded to play his way out of the lineup and was outplayed by Manning. To his credit he worked and improved and looks like a different player now than when he was first up. Could very well have been a confidence issue.

not really

Hextall put him on the team because he was ready. He sent him back to the AHL because he wanted him to play. He was always ready to make the adjustment, he just needed to do it consistently. I wouldn't even say that after a few games he has done it consistently. I am just confident he will.

I will also say that I believe he works better as a pairing with AMac. I was never a big fan of Sanheim/Gudas
- YuenglingJagr

The Flyers kept both Sanheim and Morin out of camp as an extended camp of sorts. There is a big difference between being able to play in the NHL and struggling, like he did in his first stint, and coming up and showing that he is improved so far in a 4 game sample overall. Just because a young player makes the team out of camp does not mean he is guaranteed to stay there guaranteed ice time.

There was nothing wrong with his confidence in December. He played well and so did the team.

This is the same management group that left Lindblom in the AHL all the way until late February and only brought him up when Simmonds got hurt. Are we really supposed to believe that he was ready in February, but not the previous month when they called up Goulbourne (who Hextall insisted was not just a 5-6 minute player) to play 5-6 minutes per game?
- Feanor

The Flyers weren't going to call up Lindblom to play 5-6 minutes. Sanheim was clearly struggling in his first go around and was better off going back to the AHL and getting his game better. Early results show that the Flyers have handled both players correctly. Better to leave them in the AHL a little longer than to bring them up and have them struggle and lose confidence. In hindsight keeping Sanheim on the team out of a camp was a small mistake but not damaging to the player long term.

Its always a little funny to me that minds are lost when the Flyers are questioned on here.

Dear lord boys. Sack up.
- flyer_nutter

The flip side is those that lose their minds such as yourself when people state the Flyers handled things correctly.

Follow your own advice and sack up.

Fair enough on #2

As for Morin, it made me wonder if maybe he was already fighting some sort of ailment from the very start of the season. Maybe again the org saw something we didn't. (company guy again )

Something the player wasn't willing to admit perhaps?

Either way, I don't agree with every move the team makes regarding player moves. I didn't agree on Morin, I thought Lindblom should have made the team over Leier, I thought Sanheim should NOT have made the team.

But looking at the results to a man, I can't really dispute any of it. That doesn't make me a company apologist. I just go by what I see. Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, Laughton, Hagg, Sanheim and Lindblom all look to be sailing in the right direction as far as their play is concerned.

Agree or not, Filppulla, Weise, Lehtera, Manning and to a lesser extent Gudas are all placeholders. The team is in a win while rebuilding type place.

The longview, and I agree with it, seems to be not to throw the kids to the wolves, let them get acclimated at a steady pace, don't overwhelm them, and let the vets lead the way until the kids get ready. Seems we are seeing exactly that as the kids take more key roles and guys like Fil move back, Weise, Lehtera, and Manning go to the Cote suite in the sky just as we are getting to crunch time.

I think its awesome how it has worked out so far.
- MBFlyerfan

Spot on! That is exactly the plan and it's working out very well. Excellent job by both Hextall and Hakstol to this point. While I don't think he should be a finalist or among the top vote getters, but Hakstol deserves some votes for coach of the year.

Sanheim could have played through, but there were times when he was a little soft on the puck and tentative on his reads. Personally, I didn't think he was completely ready after watching him play

Doesn't mean they were wrong to start the season with him, or wrong to send him back down. Means that he was a young player who made a few too many glaring errors for a coach who prefers steady/predictable on the back end

Sanheim could have played through, but there were times when he was a little soft on the puck and tentative on his reads. Personally, I didn't think he was completely ready after watching him play

Doesn't mean they were wrong to start the season with him, or wrong to send him back down. Means that he was a young player who made a few too many glaring errors for a coach who prefers steady/predictable on the back end
- AllInForFlyers

Sanheim wasn't playing particularly well to start the season. Granted, I think he was playing better than Manning.

My biggest complaint was that there was no reason to sit him in a press box for a month straight. That was terrible player management by Hakstol and/or Hextall.

The only other issue I have was their reluctance to call up Lindblom until there was an injury and instead calling up Goulbourne to play 5-6 minutes per night. I get that they wanted a player to fill a role and that Goulborune fit it better. However, from what I've read, Lindblom had been ready for about a month before he was called up and, since he's keeping a job now that Simmonds is back, he should have had a shot (not a guarantee) at the roster instead of Goulbourne.

Of course, now both Sanheim and Lindblom are up and appear they're ready to stay, and I hope they are key contributors to help us land a playoff spot.

Sanheim could have played through, but there were times when he was a little soft on the puck and tentative on his reads. Personally, I didn't think he was completely ready after watching him play

Doesn't mean they were wrong to start the season with him, or wrong to send him back down. Means that he was a young player who made a few too many glaring errors for a coach who prefers steady/predictable on the back end
- AllInForFlyers

My opinion is that they knew what he needed to work on, and that it was probably better for him to work on it in a less pressure filled environment.

I know that when I was playing baseball and needed to work on my swing or mechanics, it was a helluva lot easier for me to do it in the cage against 70mph pitches and not the 90mph plus I was facing in game situations.

Sanheim wasn't playing particularly well to start the season. Granted, I think he was playing better than Manning.

My biggest complaint was that there was no reason to sit him in a press box for a month straight. That was terrible player management by Hakstol and/or Hextall.

The only other issue I have was their reluctance to call up Lindblom until there was an injury and instead calling up Goulbourne to play 5-6 minutes per night. I get that they wanted a player to fill a role and that Goulborune fit it better. However, from what I've read, Lindblom had been ready for about a month before he was called up and, since he's keeping a job now that Simmonds is back, he should have had a shot (not a guarantee) at the roster instead of Goulbourne.

Of course, now both Sanheim and Lindblom are up and appear they're ready to stay, and I hope they are key contributors to help us land a playoff spot.
- jmatchett383

This I absolutely agree with.

Sanheim wasn't playing particularly well to start the season. Granted, I think he was playing better than Manning.

My biggest complaint was that there was no reason to sit him in a press box for a month straight. That was terrible player management by Hakstol and/or Hextall.

The only other issue I have was their reluctance to call up Lindblom until there was an injury and instead calling up Goulbourne to play 5-6 minutes per night. I get that they wanted a player to fill a role and that Goulborune fit it better. However, from what I've read, Lindblom had been ready for about a month before he was called up and, since he's keeping a job now that Simmonds is back, he should have had a shot (not a guarantee) at the roster instead of Goulbourne.

Of course, now both Sanheim and Lindblom are up and appear they're ready to stay, and I hope they are key contributors to help us land a playoff spot.
- jmatchett383

I didn't necessarily have an issue with Lindblom being recalled late, because they clearly didn't want him to be a checker -- they clearly want him to be a Top 6 forward and they just didn't have that slot open until Simmonds got hurt. I realize that he started on L3, but that lasted all of, what, two periods? They just didn't want him to be a grinder at this level, so I understood it

Fair enough on #2

As for Morin, it made me wonder if maybe he was already fighting some sort of ailment from the very start of the season. Maybe again the org saw something we didn't. (company guy again )
- MBFlyerfan

Morin was healthy, they just liked Hagg more, and had no intention of using Morin with Gudas. And that was the spot Manning and Sanheim shared at the start of the season.

My opinion is that they knew what he needed to work on, and that it was probably better for him to work on it in a less pressure filled environment.

I know that when I was playing baseball and needed to work on my swing or mechanics, it was a helluva lot easier for me to do it in the cage against 70mph pitches and not the 90mph plus I was facing in game situations.
- MBFlyerfan

I actually agree with that -- still remember Chris Therien stopping just short of criticizing Sanheim, which Therien hardly will ever do, when he dropped his stick and his man scored a goal

We can all disagree on what "ready" means, but, personally, I think Hakstol has been pretty clear with his treatment of Provorov, Ghost, Hagg and Sanheim. Just like with Ghost last year, Hakstol doesn't like it when young defensemen make bad reads or soft plays that wind up in the net

That's his thing. He'll sit defensemen for that. Provorov and Hagg, Manning too, make mistakes but they tend to not be soft ones